Firstly can I say what a great effort by the team today. Had we been able to convert a couple of the chances in the first half it could have been a different outcome.

However, JK picking Veivers on the bench was ultimately a contributory factor to our fatigue in the 2nd half (as well as the whistle of Mr Childs). It made no sense at all to pick him as a sub - we needed 3 forwards plus Wildie to compete with a big Leeds side.

Neither Veivers or Wildie were used until about 60 mins when the game had got away meaning we had played over an hour just using the same 15 - madness. In addition, why does Kyle Amor only get to play 10 mins here and there whilst Johnson is being asked to do tonnes of work.

Finally, when Veivers came on, it meant wholesale changes with Dean into the pack and Murphy up to centre with veivers slotting in at full back. Murphy's best position is full back and he should stay there.

(Apologies if this has been discussed on the main match thread, but I have only just got home, so not had chance to read it)

totally agree

Agree 100%

Veivers shouldn't be anywhere near the first 17. Simply not good enough yet IMHO.

What has Annakin got to do to get a chance? Shocking call from JK not to put Gledhill or Annakin on the bench.

Re Hendo - sorry but he is not a prop. If I was Annakin or Gledhill I would be deeply frustrated Mr Average is keeping me out of the starting 17

Vievers should not have been on the bench, it should have been either Annekin or Gledhill.

However i am not sure how much difference this would have made to the outcome but i did feel that we began to tire towards the end but i think that was mainly due to the massive effort we put in in the first half.

Yes but you have to take into account 2 subs were not used until 60 mins and Amor hardly played, so having another forward instead of Vievers and giving Amor more game time would have spread the work load better

Was a baffling selection but not a surprise. He's got form for this and the lack of support for the forwards was obvious as the penalties and fatigue took their toll.

I'm afraid JK got it horribly wrong again today. We needed forwards and all we had was an average fullback that required wholesale changes in the backline. Baffling.

Would be good to hear JK's take on picking a full back on the bench, as there must be some kind of reason for it, he's done it more than once!!

All the changes are what makes it worse. Another forward and its one off and one on. We need to get a settled three quarter line and keep playing them so they can start to build an understanding of each others game.

Feel sorry for Gledhill he could easily have done 20 mins like Veivers did without it harming his development.

Was Rinaldi injured because we changed when he left the field?

Don't think he was injured but probably knackered. Kear should have spelled him sooner. Wildie has done nothing wrong in the games he has played and as we all know RL is most definitely a 17 man game, so you have to have confidence in the 17 you pick (or even 16 of them!!)

Don't buy this development lark. He played nearly the whole match for the 20's yesterday and played really well. When it suited he played for the 20's on the Saturday and 1st Team on the Sunday against Salford. He needs game time not protection.
Baffled!

Am i right in saying Rinaldi and Morrison were off the pitch at the same time in the 2nd half. if so, a lot of experience missing for a crucial spell. Apologies if I'm wrong.

Yes they were but i think that it was only because Morrison went off with what looked like a knock.

I argued against this last week but I have to say I'm coming round to your point of view; he should have been on the bench today and would definitely have added value.

Has he done something to upset Mr Kear?

what are you talking about mate hendo plays prop better than either gledhill or annakin like both of the lads but gledhill gets knocked back in nearly every colision not got the power or the strenght needs more time so dose annakin dont thnik the bench made much diffrance today. Game changed when we didnt reach touch with the penalty leeds had a good 10 mins in which they got 2 trys of the back of 5 penaltys thought kears selection wasnt far off and niether was the boy today score defanetly didnt reflect the game a few dogie desicions form childs cost us alot grate to see the fans behind john and the boys twas

Pity, it was a crucial time on top of the ref evening up the penalty count, as we knew he would after half time.

I even said to someone at half time that i bet he will penalise us lots in the second half in order to try and even up the penalty count.

JK is doing great with this set of players. Not his fault he we didnt find touch with that kick that changed the game. However i do agree. Murphy as the potential to be a GB fullback wish we would stop messing him about hes gonna be a world class FB. We missed kings umppppppppphhhhhh today. And Danny brough lol. Jeffries please take the line on once in a while!

Agree with your comment re Jeffries today. Last week at Hull he took them on and had a great game. Looked like he was carrying a knock for me. Wish JK would give Wildie a bit more game time. 20mins isn't enough and he's clearly good enough to play longer

Agreed. Game was gone when he brought Wildie on as well, and the players who had been playing more game time then they should have been because of the selection and interchange policy were too knackered to give him any sort of platform to work from.

I agree as far as Hendo, he might not be the biggest, but he makes yards and doesn't get knocked back in tackles. We badly missed King today and like you said, the score didn't reflect the game, at all.

100% AGREE.

Once again JK shows he has little understanding of modern day coaching techniques.
Its an habitual problem he has - in cocking up the bench.
Often when mistakes are made, you can take comfort that lessons will be learned - not with JK im afraid.
Once again he has shown to completely out of his depth with regards modern day coaching.
I really do fear that the talented youngsters we have will not develop at all under JK.

Still missing Paul King badly.

Its also about how many defenders it takes to bring the bigger forwards down and the wrestle on the floor. Fatigue sets in quicker then.

Also look how some of these bigger forwards defend in the middle.