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The winner of the "Must play despite any real evidence and hated by the Coach Player" is Gareth Moore.
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| Aye Morton by a mile I'm afraid
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The winner of the "Must play despite any real evidence and hated by the Coach Player" is Gareth Moore.'"
TBF Morton has gone backwards and it is crucial now that he finds his form, especially in defence, and soon!
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| Quote ="TRB"TBF Morton has gone backwards and it is crucial now that he finds his form, especially in defence, and soon!'"
Again I have to agree with you. Young Dale Morton has many qualities however he also has two serious faults.
1. His defensive positioning is terrible at times (maybe coaching can help this)
2. Lacks the pace to be a SL standard winger (lot more difficult to remedy)
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| Quote ="TRB"TBF Morton has gone backwards and it is crucial now that he finds his form, especially in defence, and soon!'"
Sadly this is true. When he broke into the team a couple of years ago he showed that although very raw he had potential. But i'm afraid that potential is as yet unfulfilled and it does appear his confidence is shot and as such is going backwards. Some of the decisions he makes defensively are terrible as well and he is unlikely to rectify this playing academy rugby after this amount of time. If ever a young lad needed to drop down a level on a dual reg deal in order to regain his confidence and learn his trade against seasoned pro's its Dale. Our problem is that we don't have a great deal of natural wing cover so he risks being exposed in our first team. We could do with a bit of cheap experienced wing cover on a short term deal whilst Dale goes away and makes the improvements that will enable his potential to finally come to the surface.
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| liked the look of sam fletcher he has the size and potential to go on .is he any relation to andy fletcher
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| Quote ="TRB"TBF Morton has gone backwards and it is crucial now that he finds his form, especially in defence, and soon!'"
That's not what the scapegoat player is. It's the player some fans just choose not to like regardless of how he plays. Morton will be to blame for every loss we sustain this year even though as a winger he has a limited impact on most games according to them. Your honest critique is fine, but that's not what I'm on about, I'm on about certain fans need for a whipping boy.
I also have seen nothing from Morton to suggest he should command a first team spot. He is not as bad as some suggest and has been made to look poor on occasions by his equally inept team mates which is the Wingers curse. I say that because like many he's played most of his first team RL at the club at a time when things were not great so there is some mitigation.
For me his biggest problem is as Jack says he has no obvious physical attributes to compensate for his youthful inexperience. Do we have an alternative, I suspect we probably do. I wouldn't pick him if anyone was ever daft enough to let me or any fan pick a team but if he is picked I will give him my full support.
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| He does not hide from the hard stuff and holds his own in the tackle, he can finish tries given the chance but last night he looked to struggle with confidence under the high ball ( it did swirl like crazy though)
If he can get linked up with a centre who he can work with then maybe some of his weak points can be ironed out, lets face it he's played with all sorts inside him, (even hendo at times) not really settled centres through is time at Wakey.
All wingers have WEAK points, well at least it seems all English wingers have.
Jury is still out for me but he gets my support when playing in a Trin shirt, but i think its a important season for Dale.
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| People will always single out players and point the finger at weak links. It's not a matter of being a scapegoat it's just obvious that certain players are not up to the required standard. If you see someone underperforming consistently or just not bothered (Tommy Lee springs the mind) they are going to get some clog, deservedly.
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| Quote ="Trinitythefuture"People will always single out players and point the finger at weak links. It's not a matter of being a scapegoat it's just obvious that certain players are not up to the required standard. If you see someone underperforming consistently or just not bothered (Tommy Lee springs the mind) they are going to get some clog, deservedly.'"
This.
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| Quote ="vastman"Morton
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The winner of the "Must play despite any real evidence and hated by the Coach Player" is Gareth Moore.'"
But Morton started last year.
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| Quote ="Trinitythefuture"People will always single out players and point the finger at weak links. It's not a matter of being a scapegoat it's just obvious that certain players are not up to the required standard. If you see someone underperforming consistently or just not bothered (Tommy Lee springs the mind) they are going to get some clog, deservedly.'"
Have you taken time to look at Tommy Lees stas for last season?
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| Quote ="vastman"That's not what the scapegoat player is. It's the player some fans just choose not to like regardless of how he plays. Morton will be to blame for every loss we sustain this year even though as a winger he has a limited impact on most games according to them. Your honest critique is fine, but that's not what I'm on about, I'm on about certain fans need for a whipping boy.
I also have seen nothing from Morton to suggest he should command a first team spot. He is not as bad as some suggest and has been made to look poor on occasions by his equally inept team mates which is the Wingers curse. I say that because like many he's played most of his first team RL at the club at a time when things were not great so there is some mitigation.
For me his biggest problem is as Jack says he has no obvious physical attributes to compensate for his youthful inexperience. Do we have an alternative, I suspect we probably do. I wouldn't pick him if anyone was ever daft enough to let me or any fan pick a team but if he is picked I will give him my full support.
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=#FF0000No need and totally irrelevant to the discussion. Cheers j.t.
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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"Have you taken time to look at Tommy Lees stas for last season?'"
No. If they are positive it just proves the old adage imo
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| Quote ="vastman"That's not what the scapegoat player is. It's the player some fans just choose not to like regardless of how he plays. Morton will be to blame for every loss we sustain this year even though as a winger he has a limited impact on most games according to them. Your honest critique is fine, but that's not what I'm on about, I'm on about certain fans need for a whipping boy.
I also have seen nothing from Morton to suggest he should command a first team spot. He is not as bad as some suggest and has been made to look poor on occasions by his equally inept team mates which is the Wingers curse. I say that because like many he's played most of his first team RL at the club at a time when things were not great so there is some mitigation.
For me his biggest problem is as Jack says he has no obvious physical attributes to compensate for his youthful inexperience. Do we have an alternative, I suspect we probably do. I wouldn't pick him if anyone was ever daft enough to let me or any fan pick a team but if he is picked I will give him my full support.
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You talk some right crap at times, but I can't do anything but wholeheartedly 100% take my hat off to you for that post.
Well said.
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| Vastman you are a cas fan & I claim my £5.
Why not go through the whole squad & slag em off one by one, or compare them to Tompkins & say they`re not up to his standard of play.
You could always prove Quinny wrong & actually put a pair of boots on.
What a stupid post to put out before a month before the season kicks off.
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| Quote ="westgaterunner"Vastman you are a cas fan & I claim my £5.
Why not go through the whole squad & slag em off one by one, or compare them to Tompkins & say they`re not up to his standard of play.
You could always prove Quinny wrong & actually put a pair of boots on.
What a stupid post to put out before a month before the season kicks off.'"
I think you have wildly missed the point of VMs post.
He hasn't slagged anyone off, just pointed out that some people have a default setting as far as having to havecsomeone to blame is concerned.
All players have weeknesses, DM is no different.
I don't understand how Vm putting a pair of boots on would prove Quinny right, as it's onl about VMs point of view, nothing to do with playing ability.
I think you may be confused.
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| Vasty the Cas fan is funny enough for me.
Oh and he's worn boots before.
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| If for any reason Dale has any weak points is that he has a tenancy to jump defensive line and leave his wing man open,
give him open ground and he can shift
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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"Have you taken time to look at Tommy Lees stas for last season?'"
I'd rather let my own eyes be the judge rather than look at stats, sometimes stats can be misleading. IMO Tommy Lee struggled to do the basics correctly and has no pace. The amount of points we scored last season shows how poor our half backs were. He is one of the poorest players I've ever seen in the R, W and blue.
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| Quote ="snowie"If for any reason Dale has any weak points is that he has a tenancy to give him open ground and he can shift'"
He broke the line friday night and was caught twice through lack of pace, but in his defense he did manage to break one of the tackles, but he had a clear pitch in front of him and was caught very easily
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| I think the likes of Tommy Lee and Julian O'Neill are the only true "Scapegoats" we've had in recent years. Morton is better described as a poor player with similar issues to Mark Field, ie not ready for regular 1st team Rugby but keeps getting put in the team by the coach. Don't know if Morton will ever be ready. Like Field, the pressure he's bearing is sending him backwards.
I personally dread to see his name on the team sheet.
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| Quote ="westgaterunner"Vastman you are a cas fan & I claim my £5.
Why not go through the whole squad & slag em off one by one, or compare them to Tompkins & say they`re not up to his standard of play.
You could always prove Quinny wrong & actually put a pair of boots on.
What a stupid post to put out before a month before the season kicks off.'"
Frankly you're a touch dim and clearly unable to read a post properly. Ditto Quinny who also likes to portray himself as some ex player still in the know.
So for the hard of thinking, I don't like players being picked on that is the point of the post . Fair un-emotive criticism is fine within reason. I hope just for once the mob don't find a players this season they can blame for everything and if they do then at least let it not be a young English player still learning his trade.
If you and your buddy wish to apologise I accept.
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| This season is going to be a difficult one for the scapegoat of the year simply because of the quality of player we have this season compared to last. I have chosen one nomination because the Blaymire (now he has retired) hate squad need a new target. The season hasn't even kicked off yet and we have people picking Motu Tony ahead of this particular player, many of those people are the same ones who were ripping Tony apart when we signed him last season and then renewed his contract. Some have Cockayne selected ahead of him, despite a few of those not wanting him at the club in the first place.
So given that I would hereby like to take this opportunity nominate Richard Mathers, for the prestigious Wakefield Trinity Wildcats RLFans Forum Award for Scapegoat of the Year 2012.
PS for those too inept to understand this is not an official endorsement, it is posted in keeping with the what I believe was the initial meaning of this thread.
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