There seems to now be a general consensus of opinion amongst fans that a change of coach, along probably with the conditioning staff, is required. This will obviously cost money. But any new coach is going to have their hands tied regarding recruitment in a way that Chester has not had to deal with in recent times. CC stated in his pre-match press conference that the budget available will be equal to that of 3 or 4 years ago. Depending in our finishing position and the prize money allocation linked to it, plus the outcome of the Toronto saga it may even be less than that. Especially when you throw in the rising covid issue could hit this year again. So how do we regenerate the squad with the fresh blood it desperately needs? There are very few remaining players that are off contract and we can’t afford to pay any under contract off. We know...

Leaving - Brough, Kirmond, Atkins, King.

Out of Contract - Jones-Bishop, Kopczak, Gwaze.

On a season Loan - Navarette, Tangata, Battye.

So which way do we go? Do the OCC guys deserve new deals? Do we want to sign up the on loan players? Do we have to raise funds and free budget up buy selling 2 or 3 of the crown jewels? How would you juggle it?

Kopczak will be 34 at the end of this year, do we let him go and bring in Lettuce with the money?

Sell fafita sell tj and sell bill if we have to and give the money to someone who knows what we require and what the hell rhey are doing on recruitment

I’d let all the listed players go, I’d also look to negotiate with a few players to settle their contract and allow them to find another club. We may find some that are happy to do it or possibly none will but nothing ventured nothing gained. For a hypothetical example: speak to Arundel whose on £60k and offer him a £30k lump sum to settle and leave, putting £30k back into the wages pot along with the wages of Brough, Atkins, Tangata, King etc

Bring in a new Head Coach NOW and allow him to assess the squad first hand at training and in the remaining matches. If he feels we need to sell TJ, Fifita, Tupou or Tanginoa then let him do so to further inflate the wages available for fresh players.

Allow the new coach to select his backroom staff!

Let the coach bring in players HE wants and feels will take the team forward.

Some of this will be possible maybe some will be difficult due to the money available straight away to use for settling contracts early and maybe some of it will be impossible to do straight away.

The point is that the team and coaching set up needs radical changes or we risk a relegation battle that we won’t be favourites to win!

As much as I don't agree with sacking Chester, if it's going to happen it needs to happen now.

Why Joe???
Also Tangata is on loan.
And whose going to be the new coach?

Arundel has played 70 games in 5 seasons, whilst I've always thought he was pretty good for us it's clear he isn't ever going to be a starting centre.

We had 20 years of selling our best players just to survive and it never did and never will lead to having a better team MC said a couple of years ago we are no longer a selling club to provide other clubs with our star players. 100% right attitude. There is no easy answer and things need to change especially the players attitude apparently. I have been fortunate enough to see wakey play 5 times at Wembley and as all of us would like to see those times return but selling the team jewels won't help it would just get the likes of Cas, Wigan, Whinos and such rubbing their greedy little hands and smirking at our expense.

Read the post and you’ll know it was a hypothetical example!

Loan players still need paying, let him go don’t replace him, add that wage to the other saved wages and let a new coach decide where to spend it. It’s not hard to understand that.

Let’s advertise the job and see who reply’s, maybe approach Anthony Griffin the former Penrith coach who was on the shortlist for the St George and Brisbane Head Coaches job. He has a 58% winning record in the NRL with unfancied squads of players.

We might be shocked at who become a possibility if/when the job becomes available!

Yes I get that - but the avenger wanted to sell Bill!!!

Do you actually read the posts properly before replying?

I suggested that we find ways of building a wages kitty and let the new Head Coach decide where to spend it.

As for selling Bill, I said let the new coach assess and decide on further cuts or changes

Let the new coach sell Bill, Dave, TJ, and Kelepi if he thinks fit bloody hell who's the new coach gonna be a reincarnated Tommy Cooper

Who else would be better qualified to decide what’s best for the team as we try and fix the problems?

If we don’t let the Head Coach make these decisions then what the Hell is the point of appointing a Head Coach in the first place!

For the record I said let him decide either way.

What if TJ won’t sign an extension but has 2 years left on his contract, do we force him to stay till the end and get nothing when he leaves or should we be pragmatic and cash in?

Totally agree

This is the problem with some of the Wakefield fans We can not get rid of Mr Chester who will take over.Bet the HKR fans are happy now Tony Smith is there ,Know I would be if he was at Wakefield .Think we should use a lot of next years cash for new players to go out and get the best coach we can .Think we are seeing Mr Chester wasted the money this year. So spend it on a Coach

For me the whole siyuation at Trinity revolves round budgets and how you spend it. Trinity tend to look and adaptability in players rather than a one position general.
Just look at the full back position we now have 5 players who can play and have played full back, its almost like jack of all trades and master of none yet its the start of the spine of the positions.
Our centres havent broke a tackle for the last two seasons and Bills a shodow of the centre rthat had defences in panic
You then move to the half backs and unfortunately no one combination seems to work.AN ON FIELD GENERALS REQUIRED
Hookers are in the whole ineffective and certainly not leaders
again in the second row players well off form and to be honest second rate.
Now would a new coach be able to get the best of the team at present and would they respond in the right manner. Can you imagine interviewing for a new coach and saying you have £3.50 to spend now get on with it.
The whole culture of the club needs a re think regarding budgets and the quality of players we sign .
I remember M C on the forum saying hes not a speculate to accumulate sort of guy and he would set tight budgets to enable the club to move forward, well it did and is now in free fall.

Out of the ones leaving, Brough hasn't been replaced properly, albeit Gigot coming in.

With Kirmo and Atkins, I would say that these were two of the bigger contracts, but aren't first choice. Most centres and second rows these days, players can fill these and be utilized in both, so you may get away with only replacing one. Didn't we also bring in a second rower, and immediately send him out on loan.

Also bearing in mind that the Fifita situation is now resolved, we don't know the full resolution of this just yet. He could be getting himself back to full fitness, or he could have been released, clearing budget, cap and quota space.

There is also the Toronto situation. If it goes pear shaped for TW, could there be a firesale of players. Aren't there two front rowers there who spent time on loan with us, putting in decent shifts.

For me, the Brough part of this, player wise, is the key.

Selling our best players is just a signpost to second division.
We need to keep the team together, trim the fat and get an organiser in to run the show on the field.

That's exactly what we need PT, and one who will not tolerate anything other than total commitment from his team mates. One who leads by example .
Problem is such players are in short supply. I've lost track of the last such organiser/leader we had .

Buying old players or players from the championship will get us relegated. The pack is getting old and selling might be our only way to rebuild the team. Would I trust Chester to do it absolutely not he’s no idea. Who would you see as our best players imo TJ when he’s fit and he could be so much better with some guidance and maybe tangenoa, you might think bill or fafita but they just don’t look the same to me. In fact the way we are playing which players do we actually miss when they don’t play

and if we can keep them we should but what if selling TJ was the only way we could afford to sign a very high quality half back, someone better than Sezer, maybe Foran or Cherry Evans (I know I’m dreaming but trying to make a point).

Griffin got the Dragons job.

My personal choice would be the Ward/ Langley combo from London. Along with Poching that would be a pretty decent coaching set up. If they wanted to bring their conditioning team with them as well then great, London looked one of the fittest teams around last year.

Avenger is spot on. Sort the coach first.

The front runners amongst the coaching candidates from these shores, if available (big question mark), have to be Danny Ward, James Ford and, more unlikely, John Kear.

If none of the above can be tempted then looking at overseas coaches, which would most likely be a stretch on our budget, maybe former player Steve Georgallis could be tempted to come over and prove himself like Justin Holbrook did with a view to getting a gig back in the NRL if he has success with us. His record does not look too crash hot since he took over at the Bulldogs this season but, having watched nearly every NRL game since the restart, the dogs have improved dramatically under his stewardship – and he has achieved that with a limited talent pool. He is being replaced by Trent Barrett at the end of the season and currently can’t get a gig as an assistant over in Aus so maybe an option.

The incoming coach will obviously have to take a look at the whole playing roster. However, whoever comes in is going to have to bring in the best organiser (Declan Patton is not the answer) we can afford as a priority signing and in order to do that there would have to be a few casualties.

Re the out of contract players, I would say thank you for their services to the club. Of the loanees, I would only be tempted to retain Battye if we can.

The positions which urgently need looking at are full back, half back and prop. We have assembled too many full backs at the club. Hampshire, a la Dufty at the Dragons, should be first choice with one of Walker or Jowitt in reserve – not both. Did not understand the Gigot signing but guess he has utility value across the back line – probably stuck there. OK with Miller as a running half but Jowitt or Declan Patton or Hampshire or Gigot are not the organising half back partner we need. At prop, we have got Fifita (if he stays) / Green / Battye (if he signs permanently). I like the look of Aydin but he needs time to develop and at the moment is a fifth/sixth choice prop.

For me, we need to say goodbye to the OOC players and loanees save for Battye and bring in one organising half and two more props.

We have a decent nucleus of players. We ‘just’ need a) a coach who can motivate, get the players fit and bring structure to our attack and defence and b) a decent organiser and strong captain to deliver all that on the field.

Sounds so easy but given finances...

That's where were heading with our so-called best players what's the differanceold cockrr

I don't think any problems at this club are down to the Wakefield fans.