Not at all AJ the innocent ones deserve being compensated, however money would not be enough after what they are said to have been put through really and not sure what would be.

But as I say everyone accepts there is a war going on and what other way than some form of torture will get results, by torture I mean mind games, waterboarding etc, beating someone up is a different matter.

Instead of just thinking about those arrested why do folk not care about the innocents that have been blown up, we are far to soft as it is.

We are in a war.
War is a bloody horrible thing.
There are no rules in war.

Being the good guy, will not let you win the war.

If one side is prepared to do anything to win, then the other side has to do the same.

Innocent people get caught up ion it all the time.

Well said Jim. Far to many liberal softies around in my view I am not right wing or anything like that but how do folk think we got info from the germans etc it was not through playing tiddleywinks.

Re the bloke that got tortured he was not a uk citizen so just because its uncomfortable we now allow him to stay and we pay him, his counrty of origin should do this not us

How do you know that they are guilty?

That was really where I was edging...

Are we really saying guilty until proven innocent? I hope not.

You might as well beat them up. The results are the same, and so is the damage.

Yes there are:

[urlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions[/url

People do care.

However, if you are fighting a war to defend a set of values,. then surely you have to do your damndest to adhere to those values?

War is a horrible thing, but they are regulated by the Geneva Convention.

This states that prisoners of war cannot be tortured.

Despite the Bush administration calling it a war on terror, they used a loophole to justify torture by saying that because the US didn't formally declare war on a country (Afghanistan) but invaded the country to pursue Al-Qa'ida it technically isn't a war and the Geneva Convention doesn't apply.

They're a set of hypocrites, you can't say it's a war one minute and not the next.

I just wonder when Al-Qa'ida signed up to it?

That should only apply when both sides sign up to it.
If they don't then anything can go.

Al-Qa'ida would happily behead one of our soldiers on tv.

I have no problem with Guantamo Bay.

Getting someone in a prison and asking them "now be a nice chap and tell us what plans you have to kill or soldiers", is all well and good. But what do you do when he tells you to off?

And tell me this: what has guantanamo bay actually acheived?

It's a damn good promotional and recruitmnet tool for Al-Qa'ida as far as I can see.

And our side acting like barbarians only serves to legitamise them doing the same.

You can't fight a war based on morals without having morals.

aj i have no idea what it has achieved.
The American/British secret service, dont told tell me all the info they got from it.

If your twisted enough, you could turn anything into a promotional tool.

Pussy footing about with these people will not help anything. We need to be bigger and bader (sp) than them.

Terrorism relies on weakness and fear.

A terrorist would happily jump you from behind, with no warning, but cry like a stuck pig when anything happens to them. It was the same with the IRA and its the same today, they use our laws, clever lawyers and loopholes to hamstring us.

I do not think that we should lower our moral standards but we need a much more robust approach with terrorists (and their supporters).

I suspect the yanks want him to find out how he did it and persuade him to work for them



Punishment is the furthest thing from their mind.

Just as an aside, I hope people realise that full blooded support of Gauntanamo Bay can only lump them into the same ideological and intellectual bracket as this chap:

[urlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ux3DKxxFoM[/url

The video is funny and most people probably think the same regards the orator, but your statements a bit broad brush, don't you think?

Someone who's just seen their friend/family blown to bits might have a different viewpoint.

Hence the smiley.

Dohhhhh!

We've got the greatest computer hacker of all time and we see him as an enemy.

This guy could hack terrorist bank accounts, spy on enemies and use his skills for the greater good of Britain and our allies.

Yet we let the Yanks have him

Are we mad?

Are we suggesting that we Waterboard Neil and Colin to get info re the current situation at the Club?

If we whack them with a wet fish, would that be skateboarding?

You only have to read history to see what gems we have let slip through our fingers to the benefit of others.

it's my opinion that several innocent people were taken by the Americans in the aftermath of 9/11 and that they were tortured and illegally imprisoned and indeed some remain imprisoned, without any word of explanation or need for justification. I say it's my opinion because no-one actually knows what is going on there.

Thank God we have habeas Corpus in this country.

And as for the burden of proof that the US uses, are they not the ones who had proof that Saddam Hussein had WMD?

Apparently he had a spud gun, not to mention some bic pens with the insides removed and a bag of pigeon peas.

What more do you want?

A good old fashioned debate, this is what we like to see.