We were lacking Daley down that side.
We were lacking a first choice prop in Scott Law.

I think with the above two, if they had been totally fit and on their game we would have done well to loose by 30.

Fev gave us a master class.

I was pleased Danny kept his record to 41 games.

The ball speed of Fev was first class across the field.
The wingers were on rocket fuel.

As much as I like all the players in our team, we are essentially playing a Championship 1 team in the Championship.

Fev, Barrow and a few others are getting the investment we at Keighley can only dream of at this time.

I would love to see funds which would allow Barry to do a little shopping and soon, because I think more than a few of our boys looked out of their depth in the last 30 minutes especially.

A very poor performance by the boys last night but the last thing they need is fans calling them, there probably as gutted as us all, stelf, how many tackles did D.J miss ?

We are not Dewsbury fans who turn on the players after one bad performance, disappoointing yes but never slag the players off after all they kept going to the end, fact is were were beat by a quality outfit.

I think the club is in a bit of a catch 22 on this.
Do they spend money and then go down, or do they wait till next season and spent money?

I singled out Danny Jones because he had a good game with the highlight being yet another 40-20 which was up the slope of Post Office Road. I don't recall him missing tackles I'm prepared to corrected on that though as I'm not a statistician. For a half back his defence is very good and he made some good tackles last night.

People are entailed to there opinion.
We don't all have to agree with.

calling players turnstiles in my opinion is slagging -off and not good at all, nobody was more gutted than me, but were all in this together, we knew this season was going to be a hard and some times frustrating, but we as fans need to give the lads 100% win or loose, thats my opinion, cougars till i die....

Fair do's. One thing you will realise with me is that I call it how I see it. When we play well I praise the players, when we play badly I will critisise them.

I try to be constructive, but Fev good as they are, at times went through our defence far too easily especially on our left-hand side where poor tackling technique was exposed. Far too often tacklers were going too high on bigger and stronger players which led them either being handed off or the tackle busted leaving the tackler spinning like a turnstile.

It's simple physics Mass x Velocity = Momentum and all that, but if they go for the legs there's a better chance of stopping them. The age old "you can't run without legs" what they taught in tackling practice as a kid springs to mind.

When some of our smaller players are trying to tackle like prop forwards it's asking for trouble.

You might call it slagging off. Others may say, its calling it as it looked.

I have to say I am suprised by some comments here, I am in agreement with Wonderer.

We played poor against Featherstone but remember they are top of the league for a reason and unbeaten because they are a quality side.

As for the reference to some players being turnstiles I think its poor, over last few weeks when we have been playing well and the defence was solid how come there was no reference to turnstiles then.

Frustration with the performance is one thing but slagging the team off like this is in my eyes sad to see.

As said before poor performance but against best team in division get real folks.

I think you answered your own question there Pete.

I'm not going to call players turnstiles if they put in an immence defensive effort like they did against Dewsbury or Sheffield.

This was one of the worst defensive displays I've seen in years compounded by the fact we played a very good side who took full advantage of every mistake we made.

I respect your opinion Pete, I really do. But I, like you , paid £14 to stand, cheer and watch that on Thursday. I think that entitles me to harshly criticise if I think the performance was sub-standard.

There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, or being honest (from your perspective) about how a player/team performed.

If a player can't take a bit of stick then they are in the wrong game. However, there is a fine line when constructive criticism turns into something destructive and I think that at cougars we don't have many people who do that. I think our players are genuinely proud and feel lifted by how we respond when things don't go right.

We still have a couple of "supporters" who target individual players with abuse from the terrace and although this may be called "saying it as they see it" I personally think its counter productive. If a player is down on form or confidence, shouting abuse isn't going to solve it.

I thought it interesting to compare the Widnes and Fev games. Widnes burst our line across the park but Fev targeted individuals - they even ran across the line by 40m to get to them. IMHO It is a solvable problem - our defensive line needs to move straighter and faster and certain individuals need to re-learn how to tackle. Oh, and we need to keep supporting our team



We knew it was going to be a long hard season and it still remains a very tough task.

Our expectations have been raised by our gradual improvements and perhaps this has given us and the players a reality check.

This I definitely agree with. There's one who stands behind me in the Jewson who never sings, never cheers and does nothing but slag players off. It does my head in.

If I'm going to criticise I'll save it for after the game.

We also have a few that seem to be more loyal to the players than are the club. I don't know why either, players come and go but the club is always around.

Have to agree with certain players being targeted by Fev. Powell had seen weaknesses and exploited them, you have to say that's good coaching.

Honest question.

Is it a case of no matter how bad, players play, we the fans cannot say anything against them?
If that is the case then, what is the reason?

Oh for goodness sake we are going down that road again. Crap game for us, we learn from it, we come out against Barrow steaming. End off. Still love Danny Jones

He really plucked at my heartstrings that night!!

My reply is in my previous post:



I think people have every right to say what they think, within reason, and lets be fair there is a right way and a wrong way.

If a player produces a series of errors that lead to a tries for the opposition then fans will be rightly disgruntled and the player himself will probably be gutted. Would the best response from the fans be
a) You are a useless to**er and a disgrace to the shirt, sort him out Eaton (I have actually heard this on the terrace)
or
b) Come on lad you know you are better than that, get your head up and get stuck in

After the match would it be better to write on this forum:

a) Player "x" is a useless good for nothing toerag who should be stretched over a barbed wire fence and whipped until he plays like I want him to. The board should risk the future of the club by spending money we haven't got on superstars so I can bask in their reflected glory.
or
b) I know we are skint but player "x" cost us the game. If he does not improve Barry will have to consider one of the young lads.

Answers on the back of a £50 note to the Barry Eaton player fund



I may sound flippant, but I'm just trying to put accross my point

The thing is Dreamer, you are going from one extreme to another.

People posting on here, seem to be something in between.

I cant see anything wrong with what people have posted.

Show me where I have said there is anything wrong with what people have posted.

I am merely debating constructive criticism and using extremes to illustrate a point.

Or are you reading too much into my post



You asked a question and I answered it. The whole point is that constructive criticism is useful but within limits (and is different for each individual). If you go too far you actually defeat the objective of producing a positive change in behaviour.

I have never said, you said that. I was just pointing out how it looked to me.



Good man, keep it up.



I was thinking the same





I fully agree, however people are entitled to air there views.
you may not like it or agree with them, but they have that right.

Sometimes I really can't understand you. You complain when people don't debate, then try to find hidden meanings that suit your agenda when they do.

You asked a question and I genuinely tried to add to the discussion by putting forward a reasoned argument.



Rather condescending don't you think? I can play that game too if its what you want





Once again I did not say that or even imply it. If you want to start playing with semantics people actually do not have the right to say what they want - the AUP is necessary censorship as is the law.

I have always been an advocate of free speech and of course people have the right. However, the point you have so clearly or deliberately missed is that there are consequences when people "say what they want" about players who are going through a bad patch. People sometimes need to take a step back and consider that although the can say it, should they.

Incidentally, I don't actually care about what anyone posts on this site, I can manipulate words as well as anyone else, so if someone gives me a hard time I can do likewise. Players don't have that same right to reply and if they did, someone would be claiming they were bringing the club into disrepute.

I'm sure you will be able to read a multitude of inferences into the above, but then again you do have the right



Take a chill pill, I'm not having a go at you

thats one of the big problems with forums. People true meanings may not comes across as they mean it. That or other people can read something there, that isnt.
Could this be the case from both of us????????????



So did i.



Me condescending..never







Fair point and you are right about the AUP.
As long as people stay within it they can anything they want to about the club, team, player.



I would love to know which players, are going through a bad patch. I really would because i dont think any of them are. I see players learning the game. Some make mistakes but don't we all.



Who is giving you a hard time, i don't see it. People expressing there opinion, maybe but giving you a hard time, i don't think so. If you see it like that then fair enough.
Players do have the right to come on here and say there bit.
Its up to them if they do. They have done it before, maybe not using there own name but it has been done.



You mean just like you have done





Not for one second did i think you were having ago at me. As for the chill pill, thanks but no thanks i don't need one.

Well I suppose it just goes to show that one person writes black, the other reads white



At the risk of becoming a pedantic bore and just for the record:

1) People can say what they want about players, the club etc.

2) I don't care that people say what they want, but I, like anyone else, have the right to respond.

3) I didn't say anyone was giving me a hard time I used it as an example that its easier for me to respond to any criticism than a player. Players have to think about the image of the club and the wishes of the coach, management and sponsors before they potentially upset anyone.

4) I didn't say any player was having a bad patch, it was a generalisation that in such an instant criticism might be counterproductive.

5) I think Greg Austin was a money grabbing prima donna.

6) Debating on this site is rather like throwing sweets at a crowd. Some will go over their heads

Was that post, black or white????????????????????????????????

6)

Jim, don't forget that a zebra isn't black and white, it's white with black stripes. Hope that helps to clarify matters.