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| right desision. Dont think Robbie Paul will be too dissapointed he didnt chance to add a NL2/Championship 1 GF winners medal to his collection.
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| a question I have is are the rfl going to gateshead to continue to be classed as a development club and the amount of overseas players higher than other clubs. hope the rfl make them same as all clubs. Regarding leigh congratulations on being saved by the rfl. One thing worries me is that leigh have asked to be allowed to spend the money that should be used on ground and infrastructure and divert it on money on players. A dangerous precedent could be set if we are saying we have nice ground so sod the salary cap. Simply put the rules must be applied to ALL clubs. My criticism is not aimed at leigh fans but the club for trying it on. H opefully the rfl will reject this but as we all know the rfl and fairness do not belong in the same sentence.
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| Quote ="girl power"a question I have is are the rfl going to gateshead to continue to be classed as a development club and the amount of overseas players higher than other clubs. hope the rfl make them same as all clubs. Regarding leigh congratulations on being saved by the rfl. One thing worries me is that leigh have asked to be allowed to spend the money that should be used on ground and infrastructure and divert it on money on players. A dangerous precedent could be set if we are saying we have nice ground so sod the salary cap. Simply put the rules must be applied to ALL clubs. My criticism is not aimed at leigh fans but the club for trying it on. H opefully the rfl will reject this but as we all know the rfl and fairness do not belong in the same sentence.'"
quite right and believe me nobody knows that more than Leigh
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| Am I right in saying that LSV not owned by the club and is a council house?
If so it sets a extremely dangerous precident.
If a club can get a bigger cap because it got a brand spanking new state of the art facility paid for by the tax payer it gives them an unfair advantage.
Those 2@s at Br*dford Met are never going to build us a new ground in a million years because they're more concerned with giving Chav Catalogue Stadium it's decadely refurb.
It should be a fixed cap regardless of facilities otherwise the gap between the haves and the haven'ts will become huge.
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| Quote ="Stealth Comic":23kedroo:23kedrooAm I right in saying that LSV not owned by the club and is a council house?:23kedroo
If so it sets a extremely dangerous precident.
If a club can get a bigger cap because it got a brand spanking new state of the art facility paid for by the tax payer it gives them an unfair advantage.
Those 2@s at Br*dford Met are never going to build us a new ground in a million years because they're more concerned with giving Chav Catalogue Stadium it's decadely refurb.
It should be a fixed cap regardless of facilities otherwise the gap between the haves and the haven'ts will become huge.'" :23kedroo
Correct , It is a council ' facility ' , nothing more
You are however getting the wrong end of the stick here
When we were in Championship 1 [ yesterday we were asking the RFL for a Salary cap excemption because we had already spent more than the Championship 1 SC before we knew we were relegated
Now however , because we are now a Championship club we are and will remain within the relevant Salary cap
The bit about us not having to spend anything on the stadium was part of our argument yesterday
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| common sense decision
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| Quote ="Starbug"
When we were in Championship 1 [ yesterday we were asking the RFL for a Salary cap excemption because we had already spent more than the Championship 1 SC before we knew we were relegated
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I know this a hypothetical question now you are back in the Championship..
but had you stayed in Division One...
Surely your overspend against the salary cap for the season to come should have been your problem to deal with. and not something that would have put you at an advantage over the rest of the division.. why should have the rest of the National League One operate within the salary cap and not you ?... looking at your league position /results through the 09 season your not telling me that someone within your club hadn't actually thought 'oh oh t the figures wont add up if we get relegated '
Ambition ,yep wonderful but wht should those clubs that are financialy prudence n work within the rules be penalised..
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| Quote ="Rach"I know this a hypothetical question now you are back in the Championship..
but had you stayed in Division One...
Surely your overspend against the salary cap for the season to come should have been your problem to deal with. and not something that would have put you at an advantage over the rest of the division.. why should have the rest of the National League One operate within the salary cap and not you ?... looking at your league position /results through the 09 season your not telling me that someone within your club hadn't actually thought 'oh oh t the figures wont add up if we get relegated '
Ambition ,yep wonderful but wht should those clubs that are financialy prudence n work within the rules be penalised..'"
Now I think you are missing the point. Before we finished in a relegation position contracts had been signed for players which was in excess of the salary cap for Champ 1.
Were Leigh then to say to players we can,t honour that contract we would then be forced to pay up without that particular player. Not a lot of sense in that is there ?
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| Quote ="Rach"I know this a hypothetical question now you are back in the Championship..
but had you stayed in Division One...
Surely your overspend against the salary cap for the season to come should have been your problem to deal with. and not something that would have put you at an advantage over the rest of the division.. why should have the rest of the National League One operate within the salary cap and not you ?... looking at your league position /results through the 09 season your not telling me that someone within your club hadn't actually thought 'oh oh t the figures wont add up if we get relegated '
Ambition ,yep wonderful but wht should those clubs that are financialy prudence n work within the rules be penalised..'"
In truth yes , But that is one of the sports problems , clubs approach and agree , even sign players on contracts before the end of the season , it doesn't seem to happen in other sports , just RL
If Leigh didn't approach , agree and sign players till the end of the season and other clubs did , then if we had escaped relegation we would have been possibly setting ourselves up for relegation the following year
It is also in my opinion not good to have players playing against their new employers at the end of the season
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| Quote ="Starbug"In truth yes , But that is one of the sports problems , clubs approach and agree , even sign players on contracts before the end of the season , it doesn't seem to happen in other sports , just RL
If Leigh didn't approach , agree and sign players till the end of the season and other clubs did , then if we had escaped relegation we would have been possibly setting ourselves up for relegation the following year
It is also in my opinion not good to have players playing against their new employers at the end of the season'"
The players in question I assume are Paul,Bibey n Hartley who were all commited to the Centurions in August 09 ,ie the back end of the season...when there was a chance (albeit slight) of Leigh being relegated .....
So why did Leigh strike a deal with them at that point assuming catagorically that they would be playing in the Championship?, Which has obviously been done otherwise you wouldn't have applied to be let off the salary cap ? Why was no alternative deal brokered with those players that would fit within the cap if you were relegated ?
If that deal couldnt be agreeded then those players should not have been signed ...simples
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| Quote ="Rach"The players in question I assume are Paul,Bibey n Hartley who were all commited to the Centurions in August 09 ,ie the back end of the season...when there was a chance (albeit slight) of Leigh being relegated .....
So why did Leigh strike a deal with them at that point assuming catagorically that they would be playing in the Championship?, Which has obviously been done otherwise you wouldn't have applied to be let off the salary cap ? Why was no alternative deal brokered with those players that would fit within the cap if you were relegated ?
If that deal couldnt be agreeded then those players should not have been signed ...simples'"
Agreed, most football clubs have contracts that are tiered according to the division the club is in at the time. So why couldn't Leigh?
I'm afraid what Leigh did, signing star players assuming the club was too good to go down just smacks of arrogance.
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| Quote ="Stealth Comic"Agreed, most football clubs have contracts that are tiered according to the division the club is in at the time. So why couldn't Leigh?
I'm afraid what Leigh did, signing star players assuming the club was too good to go down just smacks of arrogance.'"
I agree , but no actual laws to prevent it
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| Quote ="Rach"The players in question I assume are Paul,Bibey n Hartley who were all commited to the Centurions in August 09 ,ie the back end of the season...when there was a chance (albeit slight) of Leigh being relegated .....
So why did Leigh strike a deal with them at that point assuming catagorically that they would be playing in the Championship?, Which has obviously been done otherwise you wouldn't have applied to be let off the salary cap ? Why was no alternative deal brokered with those players that would fit within the cap if you were relegated ?
If that deal couldnt be agreeded then those players should not have been signed ...simples'"
Quite simply because those players would not have signed for the money offered
Wrong I know , but thats the way it is
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| The thing is Starbug, had you not stayed up by virtue of Gateshead going bust, that arrogance would have come back to bite you on the big time.
You'd have been miles over the Ch1 salary cap and I don't think "we never thought we'd be relegated so we signed them anyway" would have been considered mitigating circumstances and you'd have been looking at a huge points deduction and fine.
Take us for example, we waited until it was certain we were promoted until we started bringing players in.
It was really poor from the management at Leigh to do what they did.
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| One other thing for people to consider.
Isn't it rewarding failure, to allow Leigh to come back up?
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| gateshead finances failed and where allowed to carry on in Championship 1, hence the reason Leigh where reinstated to the Championship.
Look forward to seeing you next year
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| Quote ="Stealth Comic"The thing is Starbug, had you not stayed up by virtue of Gateshead going bust, that arrogance would have come back to bite you on the booty big time.
You'd have been miles over the Ch1 salary cap and I don't think "we never thought we'd be relegated so we signed them anyway" would have been considered mitigating circumstances and you'd have been looking at a huge points deduction and fine.
Take us for example, we waited until it was certain we were promoted until we started bringing players in.
It was really poor from the management at Leigh to do what they did.'"
How many times do you want me to agree with you ?
The RFL had already agreed to our ' mitigating circumstances ' before the Gateshead problem surfaced , wrong but that is what had happened
As I said there are no rules to prevent any club doing what we did , and as we know in RL , if there are no rules to prevent something , it's odds on a club will do it
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| Quote ="guess who"One other thing for people to consider.
Isn't it rewarding failure, to allow Leigh to come back up?'"
There should of been a play off between Leigh and Oldham for Gateshead's place in my opinion.
But considering Oldham nearly went under and have lost a lot if players, the result would have been inevitable.
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| Quote ="guess who"One other thing for people to consider.
Isn't it rewarding failure, to allow Leigh to come back up?'"
hardly ' failure ' given the competitiveness of the Championship last season , with Leigh being relegated after winning 45 % of their games
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| Quote ="Starbug"hardly ' failure ' given the competitiveness of the Championship last season , with Leigh being relegated after winning 45 % of their games'"
Sorry but how many games you won makes no difference.
You went down because you were not good enough, as you and many Leigh fans has said.
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| Quote ="guess who"Sorry but how many games you won makes no difference.
You went down because you were not good enough, as you and many Leigh fans has said.'"
So you think we should have declined the RFL's invatation to play in the Championship ?
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| I don't, and I don't suppose any club would turn down a chance at reinstatement. Can't blame Leigh for grabbing the opportunity!
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