Not Rugby related but to change to conversation and pass the days whilst the club does what it has to do, how about a moment to decide do Americans say ""Do as I say not as I do?"




The Americans are protesting and upset about the trial of Amanda Knox
Who knows if she is innocent or guilty, but the main gripe of the Americans is normally Jury members are not only allowed to read press on the case prior to and during the trial but it is almost encouraged in Italy. Yes it could and probably did effect the outcome of the trial. Ok no damming forensic links or motive but it is their legal system.



The Americans should be thankful that Italy does not have the death penalty.



The Americans can’t criticise another Countries legal system when they admit to using water boarding as an interrogation technique in there own legal system.



The Americans also protest 26 years is too long for Knox when they want to extradite a Brit with asperger's syndrome and put him inside prison for 60 years for hacking into a computer.

Legal systems across the world are all messed up and I wouldn't trust any court or legislation in any country to give a reasonable sentence, as you show when you compare with the computer hacker.

Personally I think that any country responsible for Guantanamo Bay should keep it's nose out of any debate regarding the administration of justice.

I think all countries (yes, our own too!) are probably guilty of amazing hypocrisy when it suits. It certainly isn't just an american trait.
-'definite' proof of WMD springs to mind.
People in glass houses, and all that...
As for the poor guy with Asperger's, well, apparently our own beloved government could step in and refuse to extradite him. Anyone care to place a bet that they will?

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Quote ="View from the full back"Personally I think that any country responsible for Guantanamo Bay should keep it's nose out of any debate regarding the administration of justice.'" Spot On This site will prove the point further www.dumblaws.com

Have I walked into a parallel universe, whats the problem with treating those guilty of trying and suceeding in killing thousands whether it be here or in the usa harshly. In my view Guantamo Bay despite its many faults was nott a bad thing. Whilst I would not fancy being waterboarded etc please remember you will not get confessions that may save lives by being nicey nicey.

That being said those who arenot guilty should be recompenced.

I do not know if enough about aspergers syndrome so not sure whether this means the person knows right from wrong, if they are able to determine this then surely he is in the wrong.

The fact is he allegedly hacked into u s defence system which shows high intelligence and so the crime was comitted against the usa, however due to the fact it was done here makes me think he should be tried here but it does not worry me either way to be honest as long ashe gets fair trial.

To use a Tiger Woods anology a birdie in the hand is better than a one in the George Bush

So in essence, you can knock the s***e out of someone to get a confession, and if after a period of time (say 6 years) they don't crack, then you let them go and give them some compo?

Not at all AJ the innocent ones deserve being compensated, however money would not be enough after what they are said to have been put through really and not sure what would be.

But as I say everyone accepts there is a war going on and what other way than some form of torture will get results, by torture I mean mind games, waterboarding etc, beating someone up is a different matter.

Instead of just thinking about those arrested why do folk not care about the innocents that have been blown up, we are far to soft as it is.

We are in a war.
War is a bloody horrible thing.
There are no rules in war.

Being the good guy, will not let you win the war.

If one side is prepared to do anything to win, then the other side has to do the same.

Innocent people get caught up ion it all the time.

Well said Jim. Far to many liberal softies around in my view I am not right wing or anything like that but how do folk think we got info from the germans etc it was not through playing tiddleywinks.

Re the bloke that got tortured he was not a uk citizen so just because its uncomfortable we now allow him to stay and we pay him, his counrty of origin should do this not us

How do you know that they are guilty?

That was really where I was edging...

Are we really saying guilty until proven innocent? I hope not.

You might as well beat them up. The results are the same, and so is the damage.

Yes there are:

[urlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions[/url

People do care.

However, if you are fighting a war to defend a set of values,. then surely you have to do your damndest to adhere to those values?

War is a horrible thing, but they are regulated by the Geneva Convention.

This states that prisoners of war cannot be tortured.

Despite the Bush administration calling it a war on terror, they used a loophole to justify torture by saying that because the US didn't formally declare war on a country (Afghanistan) but invaded the country to pursue Al-Qa'ida it technically isn't a war and the Geneva Convention doesn't apply.

They're a set of hypocrites, you can't say it's a war one minute and not the next.

I just wonder when Al-Qa'ida signed up to it?

That should only apply when both sides sign up to it.
If they don't then anything can go.

Al-Qa'ida would happily behead one of our soldiers on tv.

I have no problem with Guantamo Bay.

Getting someone in a prison and asking them "now be a nice chap and tell us what plans you have to kill or soldiers", is all well and good. But what do you do when he tells you to off?

And tell me this: what has guantanamo bay actually acheived?

It's a damn good promotional and recruitmnet tool for Al-Qa'ida as far as I can see.

And our side acting like barbarians only serves to legitamise them doing the same.

You can't fight a war based on morals without having morals.

aj i have no idea what it has achieved.
The American/British secret service, dont told tell me all the info they got from it.

If your twisted enough, you could turn anything into a promotional tool.

Pussy footing about with these people will not help anything. We need to be bigger and bader (sp) than them.

Terrorism relies on weakness and fear.

A terrorist would happily jump you from behind, with no warning, but cry like a stuck pig when anything happens to them. It was the same with the IRA and its the same today, they use our laws, clever lawyers and loopholes to hamstring us.

I do not think that we should lower our moral standards but we need a much more robust approach with terrorists (and their supporters).

I suspect the yanks want him to find out how he did it and persuade him to work for them



Punishment is the furthest thing from their mind.

Just as an aside, I hope people realise that full blooded support of Gauntanamo Bay can only lump them into the same ideological and intellectual bracket as this chap:

[urlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ux3DKxxFoM[/url

The video is funny and most people probably think the same regards the orator, but your statements a bit broad brush, don't you think?

Someone who's just seen their friend/family blown to bits might have a different viewpoint.

Hence the smiley.

Dohhhhh!