Haven't watched Goals on Sunday, but how can the positioning of Crouch's body show that all of the ball was over the line?

It often seems to me that when its claimed that the ball crossed the line its unclear whether all of the ball has crossed the line. There are obvious exceptions such as Lampard's "goal" against Germany and Spurs at United but these seem to be the exception rather than the norm.

Lucky for us that Carew's penalty was absolutely shocking.

What a goal!

Barton.

Absolute beauty.

Well he was falling backwards into the net with his feet on the line. Barring some sort of amazing act of contortion Crouch's chest has to be a good distance behind the line.

2-0 Nolan!!!

3-0!!! Carroll!!!

I think you're enjoying this mate

You could say that.

Im nervous as foook though

3-0, come on!

That penalty miss really shook Villa. Still looked good going forward but more than half way there now.

Oh go on then, we'll have 4-0

And a new signing to bolster the midfield.

Make that 5-0.

6-0 Carroll hat trick.

Brilliant stuff.

Never saw it, but, were the Newcastle fans chanting 'we're staying up'?

=#0000FFHi, is that the police?

Yes, how can we help?

=#0000FFI've been raped. There were these massive black men who just kept attacking and attacking. I've never felt so violated.

Your name, sir?

=#0000FFIt's Chris..... Chris Kirkland.

You didn't miss much to be honest, although, Carew's penalty is quite possibly still going. Awful.

I think Mr Murphy can expect a challenge from Mr Scholes after that

Typical United...

Looks like the referee needs a guide dog if he gives that as a penalty.

Typical shiothouse Walton, United throw the hands up and he points to the spot. Terrible decision, great save though.

Bit harsh on the ref that. Penalties seem to be given for any contact on the hand these days. It was massively accidental and shouldn't by definition be handball but penalties these days are given for any clear hand contact.

Good old Nani

I completely disagree, firstly it's not harsh. It is typical Walton, he's a very poor referee and with any nouse about him he would've have clearly seen it was accidental and not a penalty.

Secondly, handball is the one thing penalties are hardly given for these days. The rule has become so complicated ref's tend not to give it to be on the safe side. Take Alex last night, blocked a cross with his hand, his arm was up in the air and probably should've been given as him hand was in an un natural position but it wasn't. You'll see more penalty shouts turned away for handball than given.

I think you've missed my point. A handball as clear as that will inevitably be given no matter what. Duff was in yards of space and it clearly hit his hand. Yes it was accidental but that penalty will be given no matter who the teams involved are or the referee