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| Beckham offers a lot. 1 - He's mega fit. 2 - He bring a whole new dimension to the plate commercially. 3 - He's still a very, very good player.
England are still too naive to win anything.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Beckham offers a lot. 1 - He's mega fit. 2 - He bring a whole new dimension to the plate commercially. 3 - He's still a very, very good player.
England are still too naive to win anything.'"
What dimension does he bring? He can cross the ball exceptionally well but other than that, I don't really see, footballing-wise, what he'll bring, we're not even lacking crossing ability IMO.
For me, you just need more from your wide players at the highest level. He's got bags of passing/crossing ability, but he has no pace, no skill and he's very predictable. He'd be useful to have if we're chasing a game, flooding the box and we need crosses pumped in, but for games like tonight where we'll be counter-attacking and breaking at speed, he'd be pretty useless IMO.
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| Great performance by England with and without the ball. Beckham will go to the WC and deserves too, provided he gets a move to a European club which he will as he has offers from Milan and the PL.
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| Quote ="Robbie Rotten"What dimension does he bring? He can cross the ball exceptionally well but other than that, I don't really see, footballing-wise, what he'll bring, we're not even lacking crossing ability IMO.
For me, you just need more from your wide players at the highest level. He's got bags of passing/crossing ability, but he has no pace, no skill and he's very predictable. He'd be useful to have if we're chasing a game, flooding the box and we need crosses pumped in, but for games like tonight where we'll be counter-attacking and breaking at speed, he'd be pretty useless IMO.'"
From the right hand side in open play we are. Lennon and SWP's final ball in is usually $h1te....
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| Quote ="Robbie Rotten"I agree. Fabio says he won't pick him if he's not in Europe but he continues to steal caps.'" I agree, sack Capello, bring back McLaren ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="airliebird9"From the right hand side in open play we are. Lennon and SWP's final ball in is usually $h1te....'"
What about Glen Johnson's?
I'd be interested to see the amount of assists he's had for England. Lennon's cross for Gerrard's goal last night was as good as anything Beckham could produce. As said, if we're chasing games and need it pumping in the box, Beckham will probably be looked to, but when we're cruising against sides and we have some fine young talent waiting in the wings for games, why should a player continue to steal caps?
What has Beckham proven in these 10 minutes that nobody else knew?
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| England play great football and Michael Shields gets released in the same day. It's all too much for some on here. ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Dan_FC"
The new evidence is what straw had 'been coming out with' all day, if you bothered to look. He said since July it has been brought to his attention that two members of the Shields family and others went to Sankey's house and he confessed to the offence. In light of this Straw has granted a pardon.'"
Sorry to come back to this fella, but earlier in the thread it was eluded to that there was other eveidence other than the confession. If the fact is that the "confession" is the reason of the pardon, then it is frankly, laughable.
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| Quote ="Robbie Rotten"What about Glen Johnson's?
I'd be interested to see the amount of assists he's had for England. Lennon's cross for Gerrard's goal last night was as good as anything Beckham could produce. As said, if we're chasing games and need it pumping in the box, Beckham will probably be looked to, but when we're cruising against sides and we have some fine young talent waiting in the wings for games, why should a player continue to steal caps?
What has Beckham proven in these 10 minutes that nobody else knew?'"
I agree with what your saying. But when you look at the options they have - Lennon, SWP, Walcott - they're all quite similar. What would be the point in taken 3 players who do the same thing? Beckham offers Capello some variety.
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| Fantastic England.
Cracking atmosphere in the pub.
Glen Johnson & Aaron Lennon were fantastic. Midfield was the key at the end of the day.
Rooney and Heskey seemed rather poor to me though. Should've started with Jermaine.
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| Another QF defeat on penalties to Portugal anyone ? ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| In reality now, Beckham is 4th choice on the right and I'd say about 6th choice to start in the middle. It's a tough call because on those stats, he shouldn't be going to the World Cup. However, as someone stated earlier on, he offers something a little bit different than any of the 3 ahead of him for the right wing berth. PLus, he's been around the World Cup scene before, and can be like a father figure to the younger lads going. Whether that's a good thing or not, I'm not sure. ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"Another QF defeat on penalties to Portugal anyone ?
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Portugal probably won't be there as it stands, so no.
It'll be Spain instead. ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Sthelens RLFC"It'll be Spain instead.
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Do you ever stop jerking off over Torres?
We beat Spain on pens. Portugal, Argentina and Germany are the sides to knock us out on pens recently.
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| Quote ="Robbie Rotten"What about Glen Johnson's?
I'd be interested to see the amount of assists he's had for England. Lennon's cross for Gerrard's goal last night was as good as anything Beckham could produce. As said, if we're chasing games and need it pumping in the box, Beckham will probably be looked to, but when we're cruising against sides and we have some fine young talent waiting in the wings for games, why should a player continue to steal caps?
What has Beckham proven in these 10 minutes that nobody else knew?'"
I'd rather Johnson concentrates on his defence. Looks like it could all go a bit Roberto Carlos to me.
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| Beckham should go, I think. Purely for his free-kick genius and versatility. I reckon he'd do a job at right back if need be.
Walcott, Lennon and Wright-Phillips all cannot go as right wingers. Maybe Walcott will get the nod as he can play as a striker, but for at the moment I'd leave out SWP and take Lennon and Becks.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Great performance by England with and without the ball. Beckham will go to the WC and deserves too, '"
Why does he deserve it?
His star is fading. It will be virtually nothing by the summer of 2010. I sincerely hope that he isunable to go to the world cup becuase of something trivial, like a sprained ankle.
I find the whole Beckham / England / give-a-cap-for-a-throw-in to be embarrassing.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"Do you ever stop jerking off over Torres?
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![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif) Says the person who has a former manager as their username. Best not get too aggressive or you'll get your Keith on me. Wham bam.
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| Quote ="Enfield Exile"Why does he deserve it?
His star is fading. It will be virtually nothing by the summer of 2010. I sincerely hope that he isunable to go to the world cup becuase of something trivial, like a sprained ankle.
I find the whole Beckham / England / give-a-cap-for-a-throw-in to be embarrassing.'"
The media do have their noses and tongues up Beckham's backside. All he could ever do was take a free kick and corner. A one trick pony.
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| Quote ="Catalancs"I'd rather Johnson concentrates on his defence. Looks like it could all go a bit Roberto Carlos to me.'"
Indeed.
Johnson is great when he is asking the questions of the opposition but is far from great when they are asking him the same questions.
Quite simply, even the most average of wingers seem to have no problem getting round him and whipping a cross in. As an attacking right back, he is the best there is but his defensive frailties could cost us dear against the big boys.
That said, it was a great team performance and Capello has simply worked wonders with a team that looks totally transformed these days.
Whereas they were cumbersome and laboured with the ball before, now, they all look confident on the ball, the movement is excellent and the speed of thought so much better. Finally, the individual tools are gelling in midfield and the Gerrard, Lampard, Barry combination is working a treat at the moment.
With a little more potency up front, we could have had a cricket score last night and that's an area we still need to look at and address.
Whilst Brazil and Spain are still the favourites, I don't see the likes of Germany, Italy, Argentina, France and Holland as being any better so I really do think we have a better chance in 2010 than in any World Cup since 1970.
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| Quote ="Sthelens RLFC"icon_lol.gif
Says the person who has a former manager as their username. '"
Jose Mourinho brought two league titles, two league cups and an FA Cup to Chelsea. Fernando Torres has won nothing at Liverpool.
If Jose Mourinho comes up against Chelsea then I want him to lose. You're having a vvank about England losing to Spain simply because of the Spanish contingent at Anfield.
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"The media do have their noses and tongues up Beckham's backside. All he could ever do was take a free kick and corner. A one trick pony.'" ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif) Dear me!
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| Quote ="Enfield Exile"Why does he deserve it?
His star is fading. It will be virtually nothing by the summer of 2010. I sincerely hope that he isunable to go to the world cup becuase of something trivial, like a sprained ankle.
I find the whole Beckham / England / give-a-cap-for-a-throw-in to be embarrassing.'"
He played well for Milan, he's playing well for Galaxy (although he needs to move to a european club and continue that form) and he always does well for England. He has huge WC experience which could be vital and still has lots of qualities to his game. People talk about his lack of pace and not beating a man, he never did that anyway even in his pomp for Utd.
I'd take him and I think Capello will too, providing he joins a decent European side and is in decent form.
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| Quote ="D.D."
Whilst Brazil and Spain are still the favourites, I don't see the likes of Germany, Italy, Argentina, France and Holland as being any better so I really do think we have a better chance in 2010 than in any World Cup since 1970.'"
It will also help our chances being played in winter. I still think we are two players (full back and striker) short of being winners at the moment.
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