I'll think you'll find that Liverpool FC have been advised to do this by the GSAG. It isn't because of persistent standing either, it's because of the blocking of gangways which stops the stewards forom doing their jobs. As of yet Liverpool FC haven't made a decision and it isn't even the clubs decision to make, it's the councils. But hey, half a story (well, a quarter if we're honest) is better than none.

He didn't actually say Liverpool FC were to blame either

Matter of opinion, but I feel Cahill is just short of a bit more experience. Good speed, decent on the ball, strong, good in the air, etc.



I'm putting emphasis on it because they're big factors. If Wenger pays £18m for Jagielka, next summer aged 30, he'll be worth £10m (inflated), the year after £7m and the year after that nearer to nothing. If Wenger signed Cahill, he could get the best part of 10 years from him, with Jagielka, it's the best part of 5 or 6 years from him. Age is one of the biggest determining factors of any transfers. If Lescott was 29 was Sparky lost the plot, he would have gone for half of that fee. It's just the way things work.

Jagielka's biggest factors in determining his fee, from an Everton standpoint, are his importance to the side and his overall ability. He's a good player, not world class, but a good player, whilst he could probably be deemed a key player at Everton. For that reason, a player who's probably worth £10m goes up to about £14m-£15m. Everton don't need to sell, but, at the same time, in the back of theirs and Moyes' mind, they'll know Jags' fee will only go down, and Moyes seems to get the 'selling at the right time' thing right most times. If Moyes got £15m for Jags, he could invest that throughout the squad more, IMO. (If he gets it to invest that is)

I think Jags offers all those qualities too, Wenger would get 6 years out of Jags too.



I don't see how you can predict future prices on a players age though, I can see what you mean that their value will drop the older they get but to actually put figures out there and say he'll be worth so much means nothing. It'll mainly depend on how he's playing at the time. It is a big factor but the way you mention it in previous posts it's as if it's the main factor in a transfer.



I think we're on the same page here because my last paragraph in my post last night said more or less the same thing, firstly you were saying we should sell for £10m now you're saying £15m - make your mind up

I don't think Jags will be sold because they way you're looking at it is as if he's going to leave the club eventually so sell now while his price is as high as it'll be but I don't think Jags will go, he could see his career out here if he wants too - he'd be captain within 2 years when Neville goes and would more or less be guaranteed a run in the first team until he retires so there's no need to sell but orignally you said we should sell at £10m but we'd need to spend at least half of that if not more replacing him so it's pointless because it leaves no money to bring anyone else in, however, should that price rise to £15m-£18m it may be worth listening too, replace Jags and then bring other players in too but otherwise I can't see Moyes not considering it.

If he's going to sell to reinvest he'd be better off selling Rodwell, I don't want him to go, but we'd probably get at least £20m if not more which could really strengthen out finances.

Dan, I never said you should sell at £10m. Read the post properly:



I said £10m isn't a bad fee, which it isn't, but some were reacting as though Arsenal were light years away from his true value. I was arguing that asking for £15m would be inflated because his truer value is near to £10m, purely because of his age and experience, two of the biggest factors determining a fee after form and ability.

Loving Hadjuk Split's banner, 'Against modern football'. Take that Guardiola.

Did ask you was this a loan deal on 22nd June. I won't re-quote your answer to save embarrassment for you

I think someone said that Marcotti bloke stated it was a loan deal. It isn't but it resembles one. Have a great Sunday

I agree £15m is an inflated fee, as I said his true valuation is somewhere between £8-£10m but if it is to have any real effect in transfers we need to be pushing Arsenal towards the £15m mark or not bother selling at all. Although £10m isn't a bad offer for the reason you state it really isn't going to offer us anything this summer, that's if Bill doesn't find the magic hole all the other money seems to go into.

Did you go yesterday mate? I don't want to read too much into friendlies but the quality of some of the play yesterday was something else.

Think we've got something good with Dudgeon and Brady down the left, loads of pace and 2 good crossers of the ball. Add Liam and Stewart into this and I think we really can make a go at least for the play-offs!

Still a joke though. About time MUFC showed a bit of backbone and started doing it to other clubs who persistantly stand, smash up toilets etc, yet still get a full allocation every year at OT.

Gervinho has scored for Arsenal. He needs to accept he is going bald and shave his locks - that's not a forehead, it's a five head!

I see Celtic have won the SPL today....

Behind Motherwell?

Uruguay with their record 15th Copa America, easily beating Paraguay 3-0 in the final.

Backing up from the World Cup, clearly the best team in South America at the moment.

Seems Diego Forlan has followed in the footsteps of his dad and Grandad in winning the tournament, that must be unique in international football?

Celtic have been cut to 8/15 favourites for the SPL after just one round of games. Pub league.

Youtube: Balotelli failed trick shot - Mancini take him out

Fair play to Mancini, Balotteli fails badly.

The outrage aimed at Balotelli tonight is laughable, so he tried a backheel in a friendly against some fake franchise, not the end of the world is it?

Still a bit of a twerp though, hey?

Oooooh Balotelli........

At last, I thought I was the only one who thought like this. Bryan Swanson, as dramatic as ever, with his analysis on Sky tonight

he tried an exhibition shot in a friendly. The reaction has been pathetic.

lol, I find it funny personally. I think it annoyed Mancini so much just because it just shows the he ain't growing up.

I wasn't a fan of Mancini at first, but I think he's dealt with the Tevez saga admirably and seems willing to take on Bibotelli head on.

I'm not in England so I haven't seen the reaction, but I do think Mancini has made the situation even worse.

Balotelli made a prat of himself. He had a tap in for a goal, he tried to dazzle with a piece of skill to make it a better goal and he screwed it up. If he did that in a PL game he'd get laughed at for the rest of the game and for weeks after.

Balotelli is a fool anyway. Supposedly talented and having the world at his feet, he looks more likely to screw it up then become a top player.

But Mancini pulling him off after that incident just created the stand off and could end up Balotelli saying FU to Citeh.

Why do that for a stupid friendly? Yeah, Balotelli screwed up and was being a little disrespectful to the opposition, but if they weren't defending like 11 year olds he wouldn't have been in a position to disrespect them.

Mancini should have left him out, got word to him to just ****ing play football until half time and make up for that, and subbed him at half time. Then he could have said Balotelli was only going to play 45 mins and there's no confrontation.

Good post, I'm on the other side of it I haven't seen it but I've heard all about it. Apparently SSN will be showing it all tomorrow so I'll see it then. My first reaction was Ballotelli's a fool, it sounds amusing but Mancini's reaction just seems over the top and has no doubt fuelled the situation.

Ballotelli's extremely hot headed so not doubt dragging him off has only riled him into the reaction that followed. The only reaction so far here, that I have seen, is SSN and as I said they haven't showed the incident yet just had Bryan Swanson describing things in his usual dramatic way. I doubt if he'd try it in the Premier League but if he did he'd, as you say, rightly be laughed at and it wouldn't be forgotton but as much as Mancini will want this game to be taken as serious as possible, it was a friendly and as such Ballotelli's screwed up.

I agree, Mancini is a prat. Not only was the substitution needless, but he's added vast heat into a very fiery character's attitude, and that's generally not good. Balotelli has a woeful disciplinary record and he's renowned for stropping on the pitch. Mancini should have kept it behind closes doors and tried to move on, instead of humiliating a player who doesn't take discipline very well.