Ditto Andy Johnson, James Beattie and David Nugent. Plus Dean Ashton if he was ever fit.

Best example for me. Plays/played a similar style to Davies but with a better touch and more goals, and he still couldn't make the step up. Although I do remember feeling very sorry for him when he made his full debut, it reminded me of when the unpopular kid at school tried to join in and all the others ignored him out of the game.

No mate, I'm the one in the minority but then I pretty much expected it that way.

Any thoughts on two others players from the same Club, Gary Cahill and Matt Taylors prospects of representing the three lions?

If Matt Taylor was going to get a go for England, it would have been when he had a cracking season for Portsmouth about three years ago.

Can't really comment on Cahill.

He's finished I think, just can't get fit. I actually think he could have been a decent international footballer, certainly could've left West Ham for a bigger club. He had something about him, decent in the air, really good technique etc, strong, he was like an English Berbatov, slow but clever, could see the game etc . I feel sorry for him really.

I thought Matt Derbyshire was going to be a quality striker, a poacher like Lineker, that sort, now he's at Olympiakos isn't he ? Is he getting a game for them ?

I'd imagine Cahill has a better shot than Taylor from the (admittedly) limited times I've seen them both play - whilst we're on a Bolton 'tip' I thought Nolan should have been given a better chance than he has had, especially considering the number of caps Nicky Butt has got over the years. Now he's at a worse club at Newcastle I suppose he's got to get less of a chance.

I heard in October that he was injured again and this time it could end his career. Real shame because he is very talented.

My thoughts exactly.

Ireland has had a fantastic season.

He has. I think people (harshly) are probably still judging him by:-

- the incidents with his grandparents
- those underpants
- that pink car
- that ridiculous wig

I agree with you

As a Rovers fan I saw us pay £7.5 million for him and got 2 goals from him in about 30 games.He's ok if you want someone to hold the ball up but other than that he's nowhere near an international class forward.

I agree. He seems to have played a lot better since he got rid of the wig.

4 or 5 years ago I'd have said that an England call-up was just around the corner for Nolan but to be fair in the past two and a half seasons his form had been nothing better than average and the move was probably the best for both parties.

To be honest, he's had a pretty decent season this season - I for one have been very impressed.

Although as I said earlier in the thread, up to Crouch getting a brace at the weekend, he was the highest scoring English striker in the PL.

So the top two are Crouch and Davies. Good God! That says it all about English football(ers).

Yet it remains true.

He's like a Samson in reverse.

Given a choice between Ireland and Robinho....Ireland every time. His progression has been the highlight of the season for me.

People on here may mock my views of the likes of Palacios but my opinion has always been that I don't rate midfielders who can't pass (I.E open up a defence), defend and score goals. Others are just cloggers. That's why I rate city players like johnson and Ireland so highly, and don't rate some others.

I am many things, whether I am the internet alias 'Enfield Exile' or just my normal self. Being deluded is not one of them. I'm far too pessimistic and critical of City to be regarded as 'deluded'.




She's not over-enamoured with Modric at all. She thinks Ireland is a top player.

She also dislikes Harry Redknapp with a passion. A view shared by a quite a few Spurs fans that I know.

We don't disagree about alot when it comes to football apart from who our baby should support and the ability of Robbie Keane.



RE Robinho:



RE opinions: Why would I give an opinion and then say I was wrong a few minutes later? Anyways, I think I have a better knowledge of the ability of Spurs players than Stirlingshire Saint.

[url=http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2009/03/26/david-silva-is-liverpool-fc-transfer-target-100252-23238037/David Silva to Liverpool?[/url Yes please!

Seems like they're getting the rumours in early, a top player but I'm not sure how he'd do as a consistent wide player.

This is where you go wrong you see. You have a [idifferent[/i opinion on Spurs players than myself. However you also tie yourself in knots by one minute saying the likes of Palacios cannot do this and that and then state they are a factor in our improvement.

I'm happy to debate the merits of any Spurs player you like, however the chances of agreement are slim as I don't happen to agree that they are all garbage.

Palacios serves a purpose. He gets in the way and adds physicality and an athleticism in midfield, and he has freshened up the midfield. It allows Lennon and Modric to get forward a bit more. Now I don't particularly rate Modric. He's not a bad player but to me he is simply too physically weak, and just doesn't do enough. He's overrated. If I had a choice of 5 Spurs players I would not choose him. I would much rather have Corluka, King, Keane, Lennon and Woodgate.

I think as teams suss out the Spurs' midfield that includes Palacios, Spurs wil find games a tad more difficult.

Regarding our previous on King, I never once said that King is not a very good defender. I have always rated King. However, I don't think he is anywhere near as good a Ferdinand. Camel Gob is IMO the best centre-half in the world. Quite why you think I hold this view because I am anti-Spurs, I don't know. After all, I rate Ferdinand very highly yet he plays for a club I don't particularly like.

i certainly don't rate king as a centre back, terry, ferdinand and carragher are streets ahead of him and then there are the foriegners...vidic, carvallho, agger, toure, gallas, skirtl, johnny evans, etc etc etc etc.

Yes please indeed! If we can get him below £20mill I'd be well impressed. A good attacking outlet and will provide us with a few more options.

Plus another striker.

Palacios provides Spurs with something they have needed for 10 years and more. He stiffens the midfield up hugely. He is a good ball winner and offers the simple pass to the more creative players. Simple it may sound but there are numerous players who cannot do this. He is the single biggest reason for our upturn for me and I am delighted we got him. He also looks like he likes having a go at goal as well which can only be a bonus once he gets settled. Lennon has improved through his basic skills being improved, not because of Palacios; Lennon went forward equally as much before his arrival.

I cannot take you seriously over Modric at all. The bloke can do everything with the ball. He is only slight but once he is put in the hole behind the front next season I see no reason why he cannot succeed. His improvement has been huge since Redknapp came and I see him scoring a few goals as well. His 'weakness' hasn't hindered him very often this year, which coincidentally is his first year in what is a very tough league. To suggest you 'dont rate him at all' when his performances on the International stage and at his club sides show otherwise is madness, apparently Juventus are chasing him for next season as well. It also wouldn't surprise me if we see Chelsea make an attempt to freshen up their side.



Maybe so but that works for all teams. Spurs have the makings of a very good side. They have a strong spine through the middle of the side and with an option down the left brought in for next year hopefully we look like we can defend and score goals.



Ferdinand is obviously a fine defender, however I rate King very highly also and so do most football folk. His injuries have limited him, I genuinely believe without them he would right now represent the pinnacle of defending in this country.

Collectively; maybe not. On an individual player basis; totally deluded.