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| I see KK is driving Liverpool forward. On course for a similar finish as last season. Oh wait, that was Hodgsons fault? Surely, this would be KK's?
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| Quote ="Saddened!"A Liverpool fan being let off because of witness statements from other Liverpool fans and a lack of sufficient evidence to successfully prosecute does not mean he didn't do it, or that you should support him.'"
fook off you idiot.
he was let off BECAUSE THERE WERE WITNESS STATEMENTS TO SAY HE DID NOT SHOUT ANY RACIST ABUSE.
how much clearer do you need things. there was a bbc journalist sat 5 rows away from the bloke who immediately tweeted the bloke said "manc bast*rd" and not the alledged "black bast*rd"
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| How you haven't been banned from here yet, I have know idea. Your posts are nothing but vitriolic abuse towards others. People of all ages frequent these boards so please try and think about what you type.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"A Liverpool fan being let off because of witness statements from other Liverpool fans and a lack of sufficient evidence to successfully prosecute does not mean he didn't do it, or that you should support him.'"
I see you are still spouting your usual, one dimensional, vitriolic bile as usual.
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| Quote ="Roddy B"Wait a minute, so it's wrong for Liverpool fans to support a man who isn't even charged with something '"
Why does he need any sort of 'support' from the fans? Can we now look forward to a book launch/justice appeal etc?
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| Quote ="Karlos13"Why does he need any sort of 'support' from the fans? Can we now look forward to a book launch/justice appeal etc?'"
Who said he needed support from fans?
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| Quote ="Roddy B"Who said he needed support from fans?'"
Quote ="Roddy B"Wait a minute, so it's wrong for Liverpool fans to support a man who isn't even charged with something'"
Scousers demanding apologies from the likes of Oliver Holt over on RAWK. His view on proceedings:
Oliver Holt @OllieHoltMirror
A number of Liverpool fans backed up Adeyemi's allegation in statements to police, including one who was so upset she left ground
1m Oliver Holt Oliver Holt @OllieHoltMirror
Tom Adeyemi believed to stand by allegation of racist abuse against LFC supporter but accepts insufficient evidence for police to prove it
Oliver Holt @OllieHoltMirror
But many more Liverpool supporters insisted fan had been shouting 'Manc ba*tard' not 'black ba*tard' and sound evidence was inconclusive
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Scousers demanding apologies from the likes of Oliver Holt over on RAWK. His view on proceedings:
Oliver Holt @OllieHoltMirror
A number of Liverpool fans backed up Adeyemi's allegation in statements to police, including one who was so upset she left ground
1m Oliver Holt Oliver Holt @OllieHoltMirror
Tom Adeyemi believed to stand by allegation of racist abuse against LFC supporter but accepts insufficient evidence for police to prove it
Oliver Holt @OllieHoltMirror
But many more Liverpool supporters insisted fan had been shouting 'Manc ba*tard' not 'black ba*tard' and sound evidence was inconclusive'"
I never said he needed support. Saddened said "or that you should support him", I was merely replying to that. Either way, the point still stands, if some Liverpool fans wanted to support his view that he said "Manc b*stard", is that wrong? Nobody said - or alluded to - that he needs overwhelming support from our fans, but I'm sure if a United fan was accused of something, and people like Piara Powar were coming out saying "Liverpool fans should take collective responsibility for their own fans' actions", and the fan was getting a fair amount of grief from all corners of the media, wouldn't you be a little bit pleased to see him relieved of any wrongdoing? It's not nice for anybody to be branded a racist if there's 'overwhelming evidence' to prove they haven't done it.
With regards to Holt, his 'reporting/tweeting' at the time of the event was a little sly. There was a journo, Nick Parrott, who was sat near the whole thing and he claimed it was "Manc b*stard", when Holt heard about this, his reply was typical Holt: "Are you accusing Adeyemi of lying?". He was also lapping up Darren Byfield's comments, that included this "So a liverpool fan racially abused an oldham player,I'm not surprised cuz when u have kenny dalglish backing suarez wot the hell do u expect." He then went on a tirade all night, Holt was loving it, "it's good to see black players not standing for it anymore", and so on.
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| Didn't 2 Man Utd fans get arrested for racist abuse last year? Will we have the same reaction / in depth analysis as for this fella?
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"
I try to keep it quiet for fears of heresy accusations
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| Quote ="Roddy B"
With regards to Holt, his 'reporting/tweeting' at the time of the event was a little sly. There was a journo, Nick Parrott, who was sat near the whole thing and he claimed it was "Manc b*stard", when Holt heard about this, his reply was typical Holt: "Are you accusing Adeyemi of lying?". He was also lapping up Darren Byfield's comments, that included this "So a liverpool fan racially abused an oldham player,I'm not surprised cuz when u have kenny dalglish backing suarez wot the hell do u expect." He then went on a tirade all night, Holt was loving it, "it's good to see black players not standing for it anymore", and so on.'"
I'm not too keen on Holt myself but there was clearly confusion over what the fan actually said. The Oldham player would hardly break down in tears for being called a Manc. How many fans could have actually heard what was being shouted over the famous kop atmosphere? Would imagine it would be quite low on numbers.
On a seperate note, did anything happen to the person who was doing a monkey impression to Evra, or did the people sat around him merely claim he had itchy armpits?
Quote ="Ajw71"Didn't 2 Man Utd fans get arrested for racist abuse last year? Will we have the same reaction / in depth analysis as for this fella?'"
Yeah feel free however remember it was a Liverpool fan who brought this issue back into play on this forum rather than an opposition supporter.
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| I see Moyes marks 10 years in charge by picking a typical Moyes line up. The game was over once the team sheets went in. He's got Jelavic, Osman, Cahill and Drenthe sat on the bench and decides to go with Anichebe, an unfit Rodwell and Coleman.
I can take losing to Liverpool especially when the lucky breaks fall to Gerrard rather than Kuyt but it's harder to take them not even attempting to win.
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| Moyes finally realises that his lineup was horrendous and reverts to more like what it should have been. What an idiot, he's showing tonight again why he'll never get a job at a Champions League side, completely lacking in ambition and takes far too long to realise things aren't working.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I can take losing to Liverpool especially when the lucky breaks fall to Gerrard rather than Kuyt but it's harder to take them not even attempting to win.'"
Just the 3 lucky breaks tonight!!
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Moyes finally realises that his lineup was horrendous and reverts to more like what it should have been. What an idiot, he's showing tonight again why he'll never get a job at a Champions League side, completely lacking in ambition and takes far too long to realise things aren't working.'"
If Everton don't come through the cup tie with Sunderland, then Moyes should do the decent thing and resign.
Absolutely shocking that he disrespects the derby with that line-up, but now he needs to make sure it doesn't backfire at the weekend, otherwise there is little option but for the man to go.
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| Moyes you whopper!!
Same team as Tottenham with Pienaar in for Coleman should have been the only change!
This is not a bitter comment but we shouldn't be losing to teams like that 3-0!
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| Quote ="Fresh Prince of Chesh-air"Moyes you whopper!!
Same team as Tottenham with Pienaar in for Coleman should have been the only change!
This is not a bitter comment but we shouldn't be losing to teams like that 3-0!'"
It could have been 10 though. If Liverpool had a half decent striker they would have scored a hatfull, they were breaking through the middle at will. Gerrard was superb, just drove them forward all night and linked up with Suarez well.
Can a Liverpool fan tell me what Jay Spearing offers to Liverpool? His appearance is just so utterly comical, it's like a 6 year old with a gigantic head was following Gerrard round all night.
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| A wee old man is feeling the heat, not getting results. Calls for his head start to rumble among the stands and in the pubs. A fellow Glaswegian sees this and what does he do? David Moyes, what a gent.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"It could have been 10 though. If Liverpool had a half decent striker they would have scored a hatfull, they were breaking through the middle at will. Gerrard was superb, just drove them forward all night and linked up with Suarez well.
Can a Liverpool fan tell me what Jay Spearing offers to Liverpool? His appearance is just so utterly comical, it's like a 6 year old with a gigantic head was following Gerrard round all night.'"
I cant remember that many clear cut chances for either team to be honest. We were so so poor it was embarrassing. Lumping every ball, they won the first every time, the second and third most of the time. If we don't win against Sunderland then Mr Moyes you may well lose the faith of even the most die-hard fan.
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| Well Pat Nevin thinks that Moyes is the man Chelsea should get. Judging by the Evertonian's on here, I can only think he still loves Everton and is willing to throw us under the bus so we help Everton out.
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| Quote ="Fresh Prince of Chesh-air"I cant remember that many clear cut chances for either team to be honest.'"
Kelly shaved the post in the first half with a very easy chance, Carroll did as well in the second after being played in by Suarez, Suarez himself fluffed a one on one with Howard where he tried to hit it with the outside of his right foot.
As you mentioned Everton were truly awful. But it's what happens when you start Victor Anichebe, Seamus Coleman, Denis Stracqualursi, Tony Hibbert etc. Everton went to not concede, there was no intent to score or try to win the game. His bright idea was working hard, running around a lot and holding Liverpool to a 0-0. Liverpool are not a great side and with Carragher playing are very open and their midfield has no balance.
It really winds me up how willing to accept it we were. There was no urgency to get back into the game and bar Baines and Drenthe when he came on, there was no passion to win the game. If you are going with the mentality Moyes chose, you've got to be ultra-committed and pressure the opposition into making mistakes. Instead his negativity just meant Liverpool could commit Enrique and Kelly forward with little fear of us breaking.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"Well Pat Nevin thinks that Moyes is the man Chelsea should get. Judging by the Evertonian's on here, I can only think he still loves Everton and is willing to throw us under the bus so we help Everton out.'"
Moyes isn't a 'bad' manager. He would make any side solid, I just think he's done as much as he can with Everton. Over his 10 years at the club he's had several seasons where we've shown promise and won games against good teams. But he lacks the ability to push the club on and take it beyond that hard to beat mid table side into one that can challenge for a European place.
I can't see Moyes ever being successful at a top club like Chelsea. Playing one up front with no wingers and nine men behind the ball at home to Bolton wouldn't go down too well at a club like that.
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| Quote ="Karlos13"I'm not too keen on Holt myself but there was clearly confusion over what the fan actually said. The Oldham player would hardly break down in tears for being called a Manc. How many fans could have actually heard what was being shouted over the famous kop atmosphere? Would imagine it would be quite low on numbers.
On a seperate note, did anything happen to the person who was doing a monkey impression to Evra, or did the people sat around him merely claim he had itchy armpits?
Yeah feel free however remember it was a Liverpool fan who brought this issue back into play on this forum rather than an opposition supporter.'"
I don't know what's gone on at the stadium, many people have supported the view that there was a confusion between the word black and manc. It's an easy mistake to make, particularly when you consider accents, and I think there would have been a fair amount of people that heard it. If the Oldham player heard it on the field, you can bet at least 5/10 rows around the man shouting will have heard it.
I haven't read/heard anything about the monkey gesture, I didn't see anybody defending it and I don't recall any witnesses coming out and giving evidence to support the man doing the gesture. Maybe somebody did? I don't know and I don't care to be honest, I don't really care about the fella who wasn't charged for the Oldham incident, but when idiots like Saddened spout drivel for the sake of it, I can't help but have a chomp.
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| Mario Gomez makes me feel ill.
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| I think this has run its course.
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