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| Quote ="Dan_FC"Could you see Allardyce dropping to the lower reaches of the Championship?'"
Burnley are two points off Play Offs and have one of the best squads in the Championship.
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"Quick question.....Would you want Premier League football, playing Allardyce footy or Championship soccer playing good, attractive football?'"
Doesn't have to be good attractive football just half decent football will do after watching Allardyce footy thanks.I would have said prem footy in the past but after a time you just want to enjoy going to a match which I can't say I did when BFS was in charge.
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| Quote ="DAR130"Doesn't have to be good attractive football just half decent football will do after watching Allardyce footy thanks.I would have said prem footy in the past but after a time you just want to enjoy going to a match which I can't say I did when BFS was in charge.'"
Fair enough......Personally, I wouldn't want to put up with Sam's style of football, but he does seem to do a job of sorts, wherever he goes.
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"I fully respect your opinions, but I'd have to pull you up on this point.....How exactly has the Sky fantasy league been good for English football?
If encouraging seedy, ego driven foreign investors to swamp our sport is a good thing, then fair enough.....If bringing in barrel loads of sub-standard, mediocre players from abroad to the detriment of British youngsters is a good thing, then fair enough.
Football lost its soul the day it sold out to Sky....The lust for money and success is an unsightly one and only leads to any success that clubs gain to be tarnished.
Whilst a club like City or yourselves will welcome success, its sad that most people will simply point to the huge, vulgar investments as the reason for that success and not have the same 'acheivement' level attached to it that clubs had in the years before Sky....Look at Forest's success in the 70's and 80's as a prime example or Everton's just after.....Most success had to be earned and was rightly lauded - Nowadays, most success is bought.'"
Yeah, football in England before the Premier League was awesome wasn't it? It must have been so awesome at Goodison in 1993, when you had an average crowd of 20,400.
You want to say that Chelsea were West Ham-sized because when you were growing up they had similar sized gates, but you won't accept that practically every club has seen massive increases in their gates with the Premier League's inception, and they fans have also paid massive amounts of money for those tickets.
Liverpool and Everton really do want to paint all the success that they've had as pure footballing achievements, but FFS both clubs have benefitted massively from having Littlewoods pools billionaires owning the club. You just won't accept that your success was bought in a very similar manner to the success that Blackburn/Chelsea have had and Citeh may have.
You point to the success that Clough had at Forest, is that the same Brian Clough that had his Derby side relegated because of financial irregularities? Is that the same Brian Clough who everyone knows was one of the recipients of brown paper bags full of cash? Is that the same Brian Clough who quite regularly managed to spend record transfer fees bringing in players?
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| Quote ="74'"Burnley are two points off Play Offs and have one of the best squads in the Championship.'"
I wouldn't say one of the best tbh, it's an average squad. So maybe I should've said, can you see Allardyce going the the lower reaches of the Championship for Preston or mid-table for Burnely. With the way PL is looking right now there maybe some jobs coming their before too long.
Quote ="D.D."Jibes about clubs with "no history" usually come from clubs with "no future".'"
Even you know that's not true, it might be a few years before it'll happen or a miracle (Change of tactics!) but we've got a future
Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"Yeah, football in England before the Premier League was awesome wasn't it? It must have been so awesome at Goodison in 1993, when you had an average crowd of 20,400.'"
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| Quote ="D.D."Whilst your memory goes back to the 1970s, do a bit of research and you will find that Chelsea were consistently the highest supported club in the game between the 1920s and the early post war years.
The level of a club in the game's history is not simply based upon where it is now, but it's more relevant than simply basing it upon some random year in your childhood.
Jibes about clubs with "no history" usually come from clubs with "no future".'"
I can accept that, though I can't help but think that your last point is coming from a City fan who believes his club to be the next big thing??....
Just as an aside, whilst I understand your desparation for success at City, don't you feel a tinge of 'selling out' in your lust for this success??.....I do know City fans who were disgruntled when the Thai fella took over, feeling they were 'losing' their club...Whilst enjoying the novelty of being among the big boys, they still feel a lack of empathy to City.
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| Quote ="Dan_FC"I wouldn't say one of the best tbh, it's an average squad. So maybe I should've said, can you see Allardyce going the the lower reaches of the Championship for Preston or mid-table for Burnely. With the way PL is looking right now there maybe some jobs coming their before too long.'"
It's close to the squad they had last year in the PL apart from a few; Steven Fletcher etc. Either way, I bet they make the Play Offs come the end of the year.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"
Liverpool and Everton really do want to paint all the success that they've had as pure footballing achievements, but FFS both clubs have benefitted massively from having Littlewoods pools billionaires owning the club. You just won't accept that your success was bought in a very similar manner to the success that Blackburn/Chelsea have had and Citeh may have.
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At least it was local business.....That's why people didn't begrudge Blackburn's success.
With Chelsea, City and many others, it is just foreign investors playng fantasy football....Let's be honest, Abramovich didn't know who the f*** Chelsea were prior to buying them, similarly the Sheikh and his City 'investment'.
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| Quote ="D.D."
The fact that United fans even noticed that the table was shown at the end just goes to prove how much time they spend concerned with what we are doing these days. Now, that's a small time mentality!
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You do realise it was shown on sky sports news pretty much straight after the full time whistle?
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"I think Allardyce is probably hanging fire for the next Premier job....West Ham, Wigan or Wolves..
If Wolves don't pick up something from Liverpool or West Ham, then I think he's nailed on for there.....Its his local club, so he would be there in a flash.'"
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| Come on Wolves - hang on!!!!
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| Quote ="Dan_FC"Could you see Allardyce dropping to the lower reaches of the Championship?'"
The Liverpool job might appeal.
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| Quote ="Asim"The Liverpool job might appeal.'"
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| Thank god Kenny wasn't in charge who knows what would of happened??
What a great idea getting rid of Rafa was!!
But people on here know better!!
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| Least its not that Fat Spanish Bloke!!!
Couldn't win us the title!! get rid they said!!
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| Come on, youtube links with copyright material from people who should know better?
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| Quote ="Asim"Come on, youtube links with copyright material from people who should know better?'"
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| Liverpool losing and Arsenal dropping 2 points has certainly made today better than the last couple of months.
Thought Chelsea were very poor again tonight. So many times Bolton would whip in a decent ball and two Bolton players would be up against one Chelsea player, and the two Bolton players would be in a better position than the CFC one. I think hard work, doing the right things are what's needed when a side is in bad form, and that hard work is sadly lacking.
Up until the 50th minute, with us having roughly 60% possession, I don't think we had come close to threatening the Bolton goal.
Despite what Tony Gale desperately didn't want to see, the Bolton player was playing Drogba on for our goal. The 500 references he made after that to Drogba being offside got slightly annoying.
Think Gale was right about Terry's handball though, we got dead lucky.
Even though we won today, I do wonder whether the Chelsea players want Ancelotti out. I do think that this Chelsea side can get rid of any manager in the world if they don't want to play for him.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"Liverpool losing and Arsenal dropping 2 points has certainly made today better than the last couple of months.
Thought Chelsea were very poor again tonight. So many times Bolton would whip in a decent ball and two Bolton players would be up against one Chelsea player, and the two Bolton players would be in a better position than the CFC one. I think hard work, doing the right things are what's needed when a side is in bad form, and that hard work is sadly lacking.
Up until the 50th minute, with us having roughly 60% possession, I don't think we had come close to threatening the Bolton goal.
Despite what Tony Gale desperately didn't want to see, the Bolton player was playing Drogba on for our goal. The 500 references he made after that to Drogba being offside got slightly annoying.
Think Gale was right about Terry's handball though, we got dead lucky.
Even though we won today, I do wonder whether the Chelsea players want Ancelotti out. I do think that this Chelsea side can get rid of any manager in the world if they don't want to play for him.'"
The way things have been lately though mate a home win was needed, especially when Arsenal and United dropped points late on and if Bolton had got a win I think they would've went above you. A win was the most important thing and you got it.
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| Woeful. There's no evidence that this is a transitional period and things might come together. These players can't play in Roy's set up. I mean, for a start play players in there right posistions!
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"
Thought Chelsea were very poor again tonight.. I think hard work, doing the right things are what's needed when a side is in bad form, and that hard work is sadly lacking.
Even though we won today, I do wonder whether the Chelsea players want Ancelotti out. I do think that this Chelsea side can get rid of any manager in the world if they don't want to play for him.'"
I think the decline of this Chelsea side has been THE big story so far this season.
Its really difficult to pinpoint what exactly has gone wrong....From being an all-powerful side, tearing opposition apart with great football and lots of goals, they have suddenly become a side who more resemble a side which should be flirting with relegation.
I'm sure the LGJM will be able to explain a little into what has gone wrong, but personally I've always thought that the 1 thing Chelsea always had was a strong spine to their team....Cech, Terry, Carvalho, Essien, Lampard & Drogba.
Have injuries, loss of form and a transfer, disrupting that spine, been the main factor or has the Wilkins episode really had such a huge impact??
One thing is for certain, Scolari got fired for less than what Ancelotti is currently enduring....How long before Hiddink is back??
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"I think the decline of this Chelsea side has been THE big story so far this season.
Its really difficult to pinpoint what exactly has gone wrong....From being an all-powerful side, tearing opposition apart with great football and lots of goals, they have suddenly become a side who more resemble a side which should be flirting with relegation.
I'm sure the LGJM will be able to explain a little into what has gone wrong, but personally I've always thought that the 1 thing Chelsea always had was a strong spine to their team....Cech, Terry, Carvalho, Essien, Lampard & Drogba.
Have injuries, loss of form and a transfer, disrupting that spine, been the main factor or has the Wilkins episode really had such a huge impact??
One thing is for certain, Scolari got fired for less than what Ancelotti is currently enduring....How long before Hiddink is back??'"
Personally I just think that Ancelotti isn't the amazing coach people make him out to be. I believe he only won one Serie A title (?) with an old squad that stayed old. He's inherited an old squad at Chelsea and doesn't seem to be making a big effort to make it younger. Big difference is an old squad can cut the mustard in a slower paced Italian but won't in the hectic EPL.
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| Roy's appointment shows up what the farcical sport football is at times. Ran by idiots with no clue of the game; it shows how embarrassing our club has been when people like Purslow have been allowed to appoint a man to run the football side of things.
Fingers crossed the owners have been plotting their new manager since they came, as the time will soon arrive where Roy needs to go, and a week-long search will not be sufficient if we're going to do things strategically and thoughtfully.
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| Quote ="Robbie Rotten"Roy's appointment shows up what the farcical sport football is at times. Ran by idiots with no clue of the game; it shows how embarrassing our club has been when people like Purslow have been allowed to appoint a man to run the football side of things.
Fingers crossed the owners have been plotting their new manager since they came, as the time will soon arrive where Roy needs to go, and a week-long search will not be sufficient if we're going to do things strategically and thoughtfully.
As for the team, well, there's only about four or five senior players I would keep, the rest can be sold IMO.'"
I hope none of your anger is directed at Roy Hodgson? He's gone into arguably the worst Liverpool squad in decades. Bar Reina, Gerrard and Torres (Who doesn't want to be there) there is absolutely no quality there at all. What is he supposed to do? I'd argue they are only three or four spots short of where they should be. Hodgson didn't assemble that pathetic squad, Benitez did.
It won't happen, but if Hodgson was given 3 years he would make them a Champions League team again.
The thing that strikes me about this Liverpool squad is their lack of effort. They were not playing for Benitez. They were sulking and moping and it's continued under Hodgson. There is no real desire at the club, Torres takes the field with a 'Cities of Europe' book tucked under his arm and a mobile phone on 'loud and vibrate' in case a big team gets in touch.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"I hope none of your anger is directed at Roy Hodgson? He's gone into arguably the worst Liverpool squad in decades. Bar Reina, Gerrard and Torres (Who doesn't want to be there) there is absolutely no quality there at all. What is he supposed to do? I'd argue they are only three or four spots short of where they should be. Hodgson didn't assemble that pathetic squad, Benitez did.
It won't happen, but if Hodgson was given 3 years he would make them a Champions League team again.
The thing that strikes me about this Liverpool squad is their lack of effort. They were not playing for Benitez. They were sulking and moping and it's continued under Hodgson. There is no real desire at the club, Torres takes the field with a 'Cities of Europe' book tucked under his arm and a mobile phone on 'loud and vibrate' in case a big team gets in touch.'"
Well Hicks and Gillet can't be blamed seen as they've gone so it must be Hodgson's fault now
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