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| Quote ="Asim"If he continues to get smashed around in this innings then his place has to be in doubt.'"
He's just got Huges caught at third slip, lets hope he makes us eat our words!
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| Quote ="PAUL M"He's just got Huges caught at third slip, lets hope he makes us eat our words!'"
He's got Ponting now.
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| Clarke gone. 64-3
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| 1-1 now. That game is very over.
Suddenly England don't look so good. Johnson playing like that again next test will mean we don't win the Ashes.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"He's just got Huges caught at third slip, lets hope he makes us eat our words!'"
His strike rate is phenomenal (they told me on TMS), very close to the top and better than a hold host of all time legends..
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| It was all going swimmingly until the WAGS went out there and Anderson was allowed home to see his kid.
Time they got their priorities right.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Said after the last Test I would drop him. I'd have brought Tremlett in for him and either Bresnan or Shazhad for Broad. He takes wickets but is far too expensive.'"
I felt there was a strong case for starting the series with Tremlett instead of Finn, but maybe that's just my Surrey bias. That stack of late order wickets in the first inningss of the series cemented Finn's place, but despite continuing to pick up wickets it must put a lot of pressure on the other bowlers when he's going for nearly six an over, as is the case at Perth so far. Bresnan would possibly be the opposite; capable of bowling long accurate spells for under three an over without taking many wickets, but that would put more pressure on the batsmen to take risks and force the pace against the other three. I like the look of Shahzad from what little I've seen of him, so he could be a good option too. I'm sure Finn will come good in time, but this series may be a bit too soon for him.
We're near enough 200 behind now and have to take seven wickets. A really good first session tomorrow could yet give us a fighting chance.
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| Quote ="Prince of Denmark"I felt there was a strong case for starting the series with Tremlett instead of Finn, but maybe that's just my Surrey bias. That stack of late order wickets in the first inningss of the series cemented Finn's place, but despite continuing to pick up wickets it must put a lot of pressure on the other bowlers when he's going for nearly six an over, as is the case at Perth so far. Bresnan would possibly be the opposite; capable of bowling long accurate spells for under three an over without taking many wickets, but that would put more pressure on the batsmen to take risks and force the pace against the other three. I like the look of Shahzad from what little I've seen of him, so he could be a good option too. I'm sure Finn will come good in time, but this series may be a bit too soon for him.
We're near enough 200 behind now and have to take seven wickets. A really good first session tomorrow could yet give us a fighting chance.'"
Agree about Bresnan, might not be an out aan out wicket taker but can keep it tight with Swann at the other end and allow Anderson and Tremlett to rest whilst keeping the pressure on.
If we can bowl them out for 250 or less then we have a shot if we bat well.
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| Quote ="Asim"It was all going swimmingly until the WAGS went out there and Anderson was allowed home to see his kid.'"
I'm not sure our WAGs can be held responsible for Mitchell Johnson rediscovering his mojo!
Out of interest, did anyone see Johnson's three lbw decisions to remove Trott, Pietersen & Collingwood? I haven't seen them myself but it's hard to believe someone bowling fast left arm over can dismiss three right handed batsmen in this manner in the space of a few balls. Were they all kosher decisions?
Also, it looks like Bell was out throwing the bat as he began to run out of partners, as was the case in the first innings at Brisbane. Should he be swapping places with Collingwood and batting at five? He's the more gifted batsman and the more likely to produce a matchwinning century.
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| Quote ="Smiggs"He's got Ponting now.'"
that was very dubious...which part of bat/ glove hit the ball? it showed it on the eplay and it didnt show any signs????some you win and some you lose... the english seem to be getting the rub of the green
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| Quote ="Prince of Denmark"
Out of interest, did anyone see Johnson's three lbw decisions to remove Trott, Pietersen & Collingwood? I haven't seen them myself but it's hard to believe someone bowling fast left arm over can dismiss three right handed batsmen in this manner in the space of a few balls. Were they all kosher decisions?
Also, it looks like Bell was out throwing the bat as he began to run out of partners, as was the case in the first innings at Brisbane. Should he be swapping places with Collingwood and batting at five? He's the more gifted batsman and the more likely to produce a matchwinning century.'"
not seen them, but same thing struck me when i looked at the card
the Bell - Colly swap seems sensible, he's looked superb.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"1-1 now. That game is very over.
Suddenly England don't look so good. Johnson playing like that again next test will mean we don't win the Ashes.'"
This one's far from over, but neither is the Ashes as some of our more arrogant fans were beginning to suggest. You'd think they'd know better by now.
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| Quote ="Prince of Denmark"I'm not sure our WAGs can be held responsible for Mitchell Johnson rediscovering his mojo!
Out of interest, did anyone see Johnson's three lbw decisions to remove Trott, Pietersen & Collingwood? I haven't seen them myself but it's hard to believe someone bowling fast left arm over can dismiss three right handed batsmen in this manner in the space of a few balls. Were they all kosher decisions?
Also, it looks like Bell was out throwing the bat as he began to run out of partners, as was the case in the first innings at Brisbane. Should he be swapping places with Collingwood and batting at five? He's the more gifted batsman and the more likely to produce a matchwinning century.'"
All the lbw's were plum, no issues there. I would definately play Bell at 5 and drop Collingwood to 6.
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| Quote ="Prince of Denmark"I'm not sure our WAGs can be held responsible for Mitchell Johnson rediscovering his mojo!
Out of interest, did anyone see Johnson's three lbw decisions to remove Trott, Pietersen & Collingwood? I haven't seen them myself but it's hard to believe someone bowling fast left arm over can dismiss three right handed batsmen in this manner in the space of a few balls. Were they all kosher decisions?
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LBW is quite a common dismissal for left arm over when the ball swings because it straightens. The only issue is that they don't pitch outside leg. If its swinging in then a full pitch ball pitching leg or middle and leg will get the batsman playing outside it and trapped in front of middle and off. Wasim Akram and Bruce Reid used to do it all the time, and John Lever in the 1980s. I remember thinking Mark Ilott had a lot of potential as well at one point but he always seemed to be injured.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"LBW is quite a common dismissal for left arm over when the ball swings because it straightens. The only issue is that they don't pitch outside leg. If its swinging in then a full pitch ball pitching leg or middle and leg will get the batsman playing outside it and trapped in front of middle and off. Wasim Akram and Bruce Reid used to do it all the time, and John Lever in the 1980s. I remember thinking Mark Ilott had a lot of potential as well at one point but he always seemed to be injured.'"
I guess you're right. It's easy to visualise Wasim Akram or John Lever bowling like that, it was the notion of Johnson bowling with accuracy and consistency that made me sceptical.
Your mention of Mark Ilott prompted me to look him up on cricinfo.com. He made his debut at Trent Bridge against Australia in 1993, a match in which Martin McCague, Mark Lathwell and Graham Thorpe also made their debuts. (The match finished as a draw, as we discovered one new talent while the other three pretty much sank without trace.) The thought of four players making their debut in the same Test for England seems insane these days, but the Aussie selection policy for the current series hasn't been a million miles away from that of England in the early nineties.
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| All the LBW's were legit and in fairness Australia earned every wicket they got. No poor shots or cheap dismissals, they bowled very well. Yesterday was the first period of dominance they have shown since day 1 at Brisbane, 8 days of cricket ago!!!! I just hope that normal service is resumed today. The 1st session today will define the whole series for me. If we get Mr Cricket early the test and Ashes are ours, if they kick on then the whole balance/momentum changes.........
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| Well 51-2 chasing 391 to win, both openers gone.
South Africa chased 400 plus here to win not long back, so hopefully Trott and Pietersen can emulate their countrymen. Can't afford any more slip-ups through til close today.
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| So far our batsmen havent really got in to the point where they look like putting together a big partnership. The aussie bowlers just have that extra hostility that we lacked.
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| Absolutely horrendous shot from Pietersen.
Guess if there are two players you'd want at the crease when you need to dig in it's Trott and Collingwood, but it's probably academic now.
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| Why do england hire all these south africans? is the level of cricketing talent that poor here in England?
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| Quote ="Prince of Denmark"
Out of interest, did anyone see Johnson's three lbw decisions to remove Trott, Pietersen & Collingwood? I haven't seen them myself but it's hard to believe someone bowling fast left arm over can dismiss three right handed batsmen in this manner in the space of a few balls. Were they all kosher decisions?
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gee and i thought the aussies liked a whinge!
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| Quote ="Asim"Absolutely horrendous shot from Pietersen..'"
. . . and Collingwood the same just now. Lucky for him he missed. The shot selections being made by the openers is shocking. Are they thick or what? And Bell should have been in before crazyhorse KP.
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| Quote ="Asim"Absolutely horrendous shot from Pietersen.
Guess if there are two players you'd want at the crease when you need to dig in it's Trott and Collingwood, but it's probably academic now.'"
took a bit of a stride, but just straight down the pitch, irrespective of where the ball was going, and had a waft..
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| That's probably it.
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| It's all over now. England open the door to the Aussies for the Ashes in typical England fashion. What should have been a breeze is now a nerve racking struggle to retain the trophy against a team that's on it's ass.
Well, Jesus wept.
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