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| Quote ="WBFOP"Long live Al Davis
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Gives Janikowski the richest ever contract for a kicker! 4yr/$16m ($9m guaranteed).'"
Good to have you back. You happy with Carrolls appointment.
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Gives Janikowski the richest ever contract for a kicker! 4yr/$16m ($9m guaranteed).'"
He is mad.
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| Quote ="Mark"Good to have you back. You happy with Carrolls appointment.'"
Not really. But he has amassed a very good back room staff.
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| [url=http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/Articles/2010/02/Ravens_Sign_Receiver_Stallworth.aspxLink[/url
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| Quote ="WBFOP"[url=http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/Articles/2010/02/Ravens_Sign_Receiver_Stallworth.aspxLink[/url
Ravens sign Donte Stallworth after his suspension finishes.
Not sure this guy deserves a second chance to be honest.'"
Quote ="LFCRhino"Donte Stallworth will be back playing in the NFL next season who does everyone thing he will be playing for?
I can see him going to the Ravens they need WRs especially if Derrick Mason decides to retire for good this time.
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Im not so sure he doesnt deserve another chance, yes he was drink driving and yes he was speeding but when some silly fecker is walking over a freeway surely anyone could have hit him that morning and the fact his family were willing to accept a large amount of money rather than get him sent to prison for a very long time says to me that there were other circumstances involved in the case perhaps!!
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"He is mad.
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To be fair, Seabass is coming off a career season in which he was arguably the best kicker in the NFL. It is a depressing thing though to say that the strongest unit for the Raiders is our kicking teams.
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| Quote ="V For Vendetta"To be fair, Seabass is coming off a career season in which he was arguably the best kicker in the NFL. It is a depressing thing though to say that the strongest unit for the Raiders is our kicking teams.
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You should just keep giving him 1 year deals if he is that good in contract years
His accuracy is terrible at times but he has sure got a big boot on him hasnt he
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| Quote ="V For Vendetta"To be fair, Seabass is coming off a career season in which he was arguably the best kicker in the NFL. It is a depressing thing though to say that the strongest unit for the Raiders is our kicking teams.
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It comes to something when the Raiders best players are Janikowski and Lechler.
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Im not so sure he doesnt deserve another chance, yes he was drink driving and yes he was speeding but when some silly fecker is walking over a freeway surely anyone could have hit him that morning and the fact his family were willing to accept a large amount of money rather than get him sent to prison for a very long time says to me that there were other circumstances involved in the case perhaps!!'"
The guy walking on the freeway was in the wrong place, but that doesn't exclude that Stallworth was drink driving (and you say speeding). IF he hadn't have been any of those things then no matter how stupid the actions of the victim were he could have avoided the situation/reacted quicker/seen it earlier and the guy wouldn't be dead.
As far as i'm concerned he shouldn't be in the league.
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| Quote ="LFCRhino"You should just keep giving him 1 year deals if he is that good in contract years
His accuracy is terrible at times but he has sure got a big boot on him hasnt he
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He's always been pretty accurate from inside 50, most of his misses come from beyond that distance, and two of the three he missed this season were from over 60 IIRC.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"He's always been pretty accurate from inside 50, most of his misses come from beyond that distance, and two of the three he missed this season were from over 60 IIRC.'"
Attempting kicks from 60 yards out just shows how inept the Raiders offence really is. JaMarcus Russell is a waste of space I'm sorry to say.
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"Attempting kicks from 60 yards out just shows how inept the Raiders offence really is. [size=150[i JaMarcus Russell is a waste of space I'm sorry to say.[/i[/size'"
I dont think you will get many disagreeing with that especially most Raiders fans
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"JaMarcus Russell is a waste of space I'm sorry to say.'"
Terrible player and one of the worst starting QB's in the league, definately in the bottom five.
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2- Matt Cassell (i read is the 3rd highest paid QB next year and is on a bigger contract than Rodgers...Scandalous!)
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| Quote ="ST_CONROY"Terrible player and one of the worst starting QB's in the league, definately in the bottom five.
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That is what happens when Al Davis drafts your players and not the relevant coaches. He'll never learn will the Crypt Keeper.
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| Quote ="ST_CONROY"Terrible player and one of the worst starting QB's in the league, definately in the bottom five.
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=#8000FFHow is Cassel a bad QB? or is he bad because he has one of the worst O lines in the league, or because he played for New England? No way is he 2nd worst QB in the league and no mention of Marc Bulger is crazy.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8000FFHow is Cassel a bad QB? or is he bad because he has one of the worst O lines in the league, or because he played for New England? No way is he 2nd worst QB in the league and no mention of Marc Bulger is crazy.'"
Actually i forgot about Bulger.
I'd put Russell as worst, followed by Bulger and then Cassell.
Calibre of O-line is a consideration but you can still be a great QB with a terrible O-line, we gave up the most sacks and Rodgers is still one of the best QB's.
Cassell is a bad QB because he is overrated based on one year when he was decent with two of the best recievers, he struggles with the deep balls (not neccesarily strength but accuracy). He is just generally bad and is vastly overpaid based on his skills, it has nothing to do with who he did/does play for.
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| Or maybe he's got an association with the Patriots that clouds your judgement.If Cassell doesn't perform this season with Weiss and Haley coaching him then you can call him overated but i think you'll be having to admit he's quite good after next season.
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| Quote ="DAR130"Or maybe he's got an association with the Patriots that clouds your judgement.'"
Not at all. I dislike the Patriots as an organisation and Bellichick since they are proven cheats. I don't have anything against the players any more than i dislike players from any other team.
Quote ="DAR130"If Cassell doesn't perform this season with Weiss and Haley coaching him then you can call him overated but i think you'll be having to admit he's quite good after next season.'"
I'm perfectly capable of calling him overrated now.
His average yards per pass is 5.9 29th in the league. His completion percentage is 27th in the league at 55%. His passer rating is 69.9, 25th in the league. He threw as many INT's as TD's. 1st down percentage is 26%, 31st in the league.
Basically his stats are the same or worse than Marc Bulger. If you consider Bulger a bad QB, Cassell also is. Not just based on stats but his accuracy is pretty poor and he seems to just check the ball down. He is bad.
If he can pick it up, fair play to him, but he is vastly overated, had too high a trade value (he is no better than Thigpen), and is vastly overpaid.
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If we lose Bulluck, Mawae and Vanden Bosch we're in trouble.
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| Quote ="ST_CONROY"Not at all. I dislike the Patriots as an organisation and Bellichick since they are proven cheats. I don't have anything against the players any more than i dislike players from any other team.
I'm perfectly capable of calling him overrated now.
His average yards per pass is 5.9 29th in the league. His completion percentage is 27th in the league at 55%. His passer rating is 69.9, 25th in the league. He threw as many INT's as TD's. 1st down percentage is 26%, 31st in the league.
Basically his stats are the same or worse than Marc Bulger. If you consider Bulger a bad QB, Cassell also is. Not just based on stats but his accuracy is pretty poor and he seems to just check the ball down. He is bad.
If he can pick it up, fair play to him, but he is vastly overated, had too high a trade value (he is no better than Thigpen), and is vastly overpaid.'"
=#8000FFA load of stats pulled from the fact he played with the worst O line in the league (off the top of my head I believe the right tackle gave up 7 sacks alone) he had no WR's most of the season, Bowe was suspended for 4 games and they traded away Gonzalez - no QB in the NFL would have done well with that O line and only Chambers to pass the ball to.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8000FFA load of stats pulled from the fact he played with the worst O line in the league (off the top of my head I believe the right tackle gave up 7 sacks alone) he had no WR's most of the season, Bowe was suspended for 4 games and they traded away Gonzalez - no QB in the NFL would have done well with that O line and only Chambers to pass the ball to.
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As i've said, we had one of the worst O-Lines giving up 50 total sacks and Rodgers was still a top 5 QB.
They are stats but they support my general opinion of him that he is not very good at the deep balls, is incosistent in general and checks down alot.
Your making excuses for him which mean it'd be impossible to evaluate any QB. The same could be said for Bulger (as an example) that no QB could be succesful with what he has. Well how do you rate them then? Cassell is a bad QB even based on what he has.
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| Quote ="ST_CONROY"As i've said, we had one of the worst O-Lines giving up 50 total sacks and Rodgers was still a top 5 QB.
They are stats but they support my general opinion of him that he is not very good at the deep balls, is incosistent in general and checks down alot.
Your making excuses for him which mean it'd be impossible to evaluate any QB. The same could be said for Bulger (as an example) that no QB could be succesful with what he has. Well how do you rate them then? Cassell is a bad QB even based on what he has.'"
I get what you're both saying. But how good your D is also has a massive bearing on how effective you are as a QB. i.e if you're defence is crap then your offence is having to force the ball, hence leading to more ints and mistakes.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"=#8000FFA load of stats pulled from the fact he played with the worst O line in the league (off the top of my head I believe the right tackle gave up 7 sacks alone) he had no WR's most of the season, Bowe was suspended for 4 games and they traded away Gonzalez - no QB in the NFL would have done well with that O line and only Chambers to pass the ball to.
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Isn't the season 16 games? losing somebody for 4 games is hardly most of the season. It's not too often i agree with Conroy but let's be honest about Cassel. He didn't get a start in college at QB and was a career back up till Brady went down. Because of this he took over pretty much the best team in football and had an ok season for them, not outstanding but ok. KC offered far too much for him. Will he work out in the long run? Maybe but i would doubt it
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