Looking at the forecast I reckon there's enough time to sneak a result at Aigburth. Problem being that it looks the same at Edgbaston... Wonder if Notts can do us another favour if needs be?!

What days are you going? I'm hoping you don't curse us as usual

Friday... I refuse to take any responsibility for the way the match goes on that day!

Problem is, if a team has gone for the win and been thwarted by, say, the weather (this one remind you of anyone?

), is it fair to take away their bonus points?

It'd be utterly unfeasable, a point is awarded for getting to 200 runs, thats the rule so its earned, win or not...

What they done with the points for wins and draws was better IMO. Now its 16 for a win, its a big incentive to go for it.

Kent sign Charlie Shreck from Nottinghamshire

Lancs lose the toss for the 8th home game this season (surely some kind of record??) and are batting first...I think we'll be all out by lunch unless it rains!

I do agree, the rain affected draw is the big flaw with that idea. You could say rain affected draws get bonus points too, but then again a game could be rain affected but end up a draw because someone's shut up shop.

16 for a win and 3 for a draw has improved things massively.

Continued rain in Leeds this morning looks like it'll kill any prospect of Yorkshire performing the miracle they needed.

Ah well, saves us having to make a trip across the Pennines next season I suppose

Some of the best Test matches of recent years has been when teams hung on for a draw. It did seem about 10 years ago that a team batting last with no chance of winning the game would fold all too easily. So some incentive to draw games needs to be kept.

Again, there's a difference between this - England at Cardiff in the Ashes, for example - and a team deliberately playing for a draw from the start instead of going for a win when their team is in no danger of losing.

388?! Lancashire's batting?! What?!

Must be a bowler's nightmare that pitch, that or the second innings will balance it all out (i.e Lancs get about 6, which would not surprise me one bit).

That's what everyone remembers them for. I can't recall a less popular Championship winning team.


It's probably also worth pointing out that Surrey didn't win a single match in 2008!

I think the balance between bonus points and points for wins and draws is about the best it's been right now. Bonus points are a sort of deterrant against counties producing overly spicy pitches and gambling on winning a shoot out. (Is there an element of that with Lancs home games this year? Certainly Surrey have made no secret of aiming to prepare "result" pitches at The Oval, which has tended a bit too much towards bland draws in recent years.)

You now have to score pretty quickly to get all five batting bonus points too. I think I'm right in saying Warks would have had 130 overs in which to accumulate their many first innings totals of 400 seven seasons ago, as opposed to the current 110.

I'm there today too - have PM'd you.

Have a good day.

Please let the Brum area have rain, lots of it, tomorrow.....

Warwicks look like winning, and winning comfortably, Lancs are effectively 202/2 but only have one day left, really need to go for the win now.

[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2102?Not happening mate[/url - I've just got back from Aigburth and the players body language tells me that we know we are going to finish 2nd again.

Typical, and the wait goes on, probably our best chance for a while too.

Suppose laughing at Yorkshire can relieve some of the gloom...

Well, it's going down to the final game at least (although I can still only see heartache at the end of it sadly). My apologies to anyone who may have been in the vicinity of Old Trafford at approx 5:30 yesterday & heard some idiot going mental at his desk when Mackenzie's wicket finally fell.

On the way down to Taunton now, trying not to think of the "if only" moments. Still, whatever happens it's been a glorious season and should be a superb next few days. Taunton Town v Poole Town anyone?

Worcestershire still only taken two wickets against Durham - now if only Durham can avoid losing more than four wickets, then bowl them out twice (the first time for less than 200)...

had this conversation on saturday evening
all academic now, relegated! icon_sad.gif

Has Martin Moxon been given the boot yet ?

A quite brilliantly forthright view from Mr Graves... You Yorkie fans will have to tell us if he's right or not. www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/cr ... _1_3764290

A quite brilliantly forthright view from Mr Graves... You Yorkie fans will have to tell us if he's right or not. www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/cr ... _1_3764290

Quote ="Ordsall Quays Red"A quite brilliantly forthright view from Mr Graves... You Yorkie fans will have to tell us if he's right or not. www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/cr ... _1_3764290'" Whilst he is right to an extent how can the coach be free of any blame? Also it's hardly going to motivate the players for next season reading that. I said at the start of the season Yorkshire looked weak, especially in the batting line up.

Quote ="Ordsall Quays Red"A quite brilliantly forthright view from Mr Graves... You Yorkie fans will have to tell us if he's right or not. www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/cr ... _1_3764290'" Whilst he is right to an extent how can the coach be free of any blame? Also it's hardly going to motivate the players for next season reading that. I said at the start of the season Yorkshire looked weak, especially in the batting line up.

Quote ="Ordsall Quays Red"A quite brilliantly forthright view from Mr Graves... You Yorkie fans will have to tell us if he's right or not. www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/cr ... _1_3764290'" He's bang on. There are some experienced international players who have been well below par this season - McGrath, Rashid and Shahzad to name but three. If it hadn't been for the likes of Bairstow and Sidebottom we would probably have struggled to win a Championship game this season to be honest. There seems to be plenty of young bowling talent around at the club, but the cupboard is very much bare when it comes to batsmen coming through. Greg Wood was allowed to move on a couple of years ago because Yorkshire had both Gerard Brophy and Simon Guy around at the time, which is sadly reflective of the way the club has addressed youth development.

Quote ="Ordsall Quays Red"A quite brilliantly forthright view from Mr Graves... You Yorkie fans will have to tell us if he's right or not. www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/cr ... _1_3764290'" He's bang on. There are some experienced international players who have been well below par this season - McGrath, Rashid and Shahzad to name but three. If it hadn't been for the likes of Bairstow and Sidebottom we would probably have struggled to win a Championship game this season to be honest. There seems to be plenty of young bowling talent around at the club, but the cupboard is very much bare when it comes to batsmen coming through. Greg Wood was allowed to move on a couple of years ago because Yorkshire had both Gerard Brophy and Simon Guy around at the time, which is sadly reflective of the way the club has addressed youth development.

Quote ="Ordsall Quays Red"A quite brilliantly forthright view from Mr Graves... You Yorkie fans will have to tell us if he's right or not. www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/cr ... _1_3764290'" Some of the comments about the performances are spot on, but the powers that be (and Moxon) have to take their share of responsibility as well - I was a bit surprised to read a [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2011/sep/13/yorkshire-relegation-county-championshipdecent article on the Guardian website[/url earlier which is a little more balanced when it comes to aportioning blame.

Quote ="Ordsall Quays Red"A quite brilliantly forthright view from Mr Graves... You Yorkie fans will have to tell us if he's right or not. www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/cr ... _1_3764290'" Some of the comments about the performances are spot on, but the powers that be (and Moxon) have to take their share of responsibility as well - I was a bit surprised to read a [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2011/sep/13/yorkshire-relegation-county-championshipdecent article on the Guardian website[/url earlier which is a little more balanced when it comes to aportioning blame.