Sky.

The appeal of no breaks was taken away by the fact that i cannot stand the smugness of Mike Carlson.





Not really.

=#8040FFOh you mean that game with no O line and a 7th round rookie QB playing #2 WR? yeah, good game to base it on, Manning is a perennial playoff choke artist, Brady is usually brilliant in the playoffs, hence having the best post season record of all time and the most wins reg+post combined in the decade.

I agree.


FADE TO BURRESS................ TOUCHDOWN.

Great work.

Thats 1 game in a long career everyone has bad games, it just seems to me that most of Mannings are in the playoffs in pressure situations, I think leading his team to 4 superbowls and with a chance of more is quite good to say hes supposed to be crap according to most people.

Leading the stat book every year doesnt mean a thing if you dont have the hardware to back it up at the end of the year!!

All the records Brady/ Moss got in 07 would be swapped in an instant for a win in the SB I can guarantee it.

I can understand people saying that our D was better so we had a better chance but thats what a team is all about, we sacrificed having "top" recievers to upgrade our D, until 07 when we got Moss and Welker(who btw no-one had heard of outside Miami and San Diego) we didnt have top recieveres like Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clarke, Reggie Wayne.With an offence like Indys they knew they had to put up points to help their Defense, but whos fault is it that Indy hired a defensive coach in Tony Dungy to upgrade it and he didnt make it better, they just concentrated on the Offence instead IMO



Not to mention we seem to lose coaches and co-ordinatars every year, If Indy lose Howard Mudd and Tom Moore it will be the first time Manning has had a new OC in his career and OL coach in 12 years, Im sure he will cope with it but it will be a telling time for me.

Thats a bit harsh on Cassel. I think Charles will go high in fantasy drafts.

I think Howard Mudd is retiring now but I'm not sure about Tom Moore though.

I felt i was being quite harsh on Thigpen really.

What's your beef with Matt Cassel?

Simple he played for the Patriots

Great isn't it? Every time Manning loses in the playoffs, he chokes, yet every time Brady does, its always someone elses fault!

Would this discussion even be happening if Garcon caught that pass and the Colts went 17-3 up?

Manning showed how good he is by pulling the Colts out of very bad situations this season, and in the AFC title game, Jets clearly on top? He marches the Colts downfield in a minute, just like that. Thats not choking.

So, on that basis, Marino is crap? Favre is average?

Bear in mind, in 2006 Harrison was at the end of his career, Wayne was only just maturing. Clark is class though, but any good team has a class TE.

And Manning won't be bothered, at the most he and the new OC/OL coaches will need to gel is the preseason.

For choking refer to St Helens the past few years.

=#8040FFNo but:
2 picks against the Ravens
pick 6 in the Superbowl
3 picks in the 06 championship game, rescued by his D
losing to the Chargers in OT last year
.500 record in playoffs

Manning is a good player but he does seemingly collapse in the playoffs.

Im saying that in the playoffs hes a choker when it comes to the big games IMO, I have never said hes a bad player only that IMO stats dont mean feck all when you dont have the SBs to back them up.

Its also my opinion that I would have Brady over Manning as it is yours Manning over Brady, whats so wrong with that?

Going from stats Manning is a mile better than Brady but I dont care about stats I care about winning important games and the ultimate goal is to win the SB, Im pretty sure Marino, Favre and even Manning amongst many others would swap their stats for a few extra chances at winning the big one! and if they say otherwise they are lieing

Manning still has a good few years to add to his but he needs to take that chicken bone out of his throat

Iv been trying to get that one in for St Conroy but weirdly he agreed with me

Last season they were really bad but as the Bengals showed you can go from bad to good with a few shrewd decisions.Bringing Zimmer in transformed the Bengals D and I think bringing in Weis and Crennel to run the O and the D also bringing in HOF Emmitt Thomas to coach the D backs will be a huge improvement to what they had this year.The Chiefs wont win the division next year but they won't be picking #1 either.

I think with so many ex Pats now at KC he must feel he has to hate the Chiefs aswell.

Funnily enough Im starting to like the New Kansas Patrichiefs more everyday

Yeah your right you can go from bad to good, equally you can go the other way. The Colts could end up 0-16 after some guys have retired, just as much as Kansas City could improve. I'm pretty confident in my pick though.

Cassell is terrible at QB. They have a decent RB, excellent potential at WR with Bowe but nobody to get him the ball. O line is average and defence is full of no names. They are terrible.

I have no beef with him, i just don't rate him. He is just below average overall and was built up as the next coming of Brady when he was starter. He did OK, but even i could dump the ball to Welker and attempt (and fail) to throw it deep to Moss every now and then.

He is no better than Thigpen and Scott Pioli (embroiled in the Bellicheat master plan) just handed them a 2nd for no better than what they had. I have nothing against the Chiefs (other than in my opinion they are overall the worst team) and i just dislike Cassell.

Its not choking, its being crap

Donte Stallworth will be back playing in the NFL next season who does everyone thing he will be playing for?

I have heard rumours hes coming back to New England which I hope are not true, not because hes a bad player but we are trying to get Brandon Marshall/Anquan boldin if what I have been told is true so signing Stallworth instead would be a huge dissapointment compared to either of them.

I can see him going to the Ravens they need WRs especially if Derrick Mason decides to retire for good this time.

I can see him going to the Chiefs too with all the Pats connections.

Im sure lot of teams will be interested despite him being out all last year.

Hopefully nobody. I said the same about Vick so i'm being consistent. The guy killed somebody while drink driving and only served 24 days in prison. Vick's crimes were horredous but Stallworth's are arguably worse considering he actually took a life (albeit accidental compared to Vick who obviously intended everything he did). For me doing what he did should forfeit the right to play in the league.

As it is i think he'll end up on either: Bengals, Lions, Chiefs, Raiders. Bengals being the most likely.



I doubt there will be a lot really. He was hardly a world-beater prior to his conviction.

=#8040FFI'd take him for a year at NE along with one of Bryant/Marshall/Boldin because it's likely Welker will be on the PUP list, or heaven forbid IR, and look what the Saints did with a good stable of WR's if the Pats had all their WR's active they could run a set with: Moss, Boldin/Marshall/Bryant, Stallworth, Welker, Edelman...who's going to cover that? 2 slot receivers, 2 deep receivers (3 if it's Marshall or Bryant signed) and one WR who is willing to go over the middle on the intermediate routes if it's Boldin signed. All that would be needed then is a RG to replace Neal (retiring) so the line will be able to block long enough for Brady to find one of the targets.