Shawcross was a bit unlucky to recieve a red card for that, was a 50/50 ball and think he only got sent off due to the seriousness of the injury. From [url=http://i48.tinypic.com/2rz7uid.jpgthis pic[/url (DON'T CLICK IF SQUEAMISH!) it appears the ankle has given way BEFORE Shawcross makes contact, although it could be after the tackle, I'm not 100% sure.

According to someone on Five Live, Sky erased it from everyone's Sky Plus! I had no idea they had the power to do that. Apparantly, you could rewind to just after the accident, but not see it.

Felt for Shawcross, no malice whatsoever in that challenge. Terrible blow for Ramsay though, hope he recovers.

WTF was Campbell acting like a fecking moron for, what a tit!

If Man City get Champions league football next season and I think they will, have a bet with Your local bookie that they break the world record transfer fee in the summer. At the moment Liverpool look like they may not even get european football next year.

That pic looks to be just after contact because of the position of the ball I would say!



Same as his dozy manager I know emotions were running high but Arsole Whinger is a complete wanchor with some of the comments he comes out with

Campbell made himself to look like a complete knob, throwing his arms about everywhere, get a grip man.

As for Wenger, he's just a sour pr*c.

Shawcross had his studs down, laces pointed up, not the way you go to snap someone if you wanted to.

Quick recovery to the kid though.

Spot on for me...........Wenger see's things that he wants to see and well done Tony Pullis........had a right dig at Wenger on MOTD....Any one see the Brum and Wigan game....how the hell wasnt Ridgewell sent off...2 footed lunge,takes the wigan player,flag and linesman out.

The BBC showed it in slow motion on MOTD. Looked a complete accident to me. Shawcross made first contact with the ball, his touch took it away from him and he swung his boot at the ball. He made contact with the top of the ball and his boot (not his studs) slid into Ramsay's planted leg. It wasnt a 50:50 tackle, he was kicking the ball.

I think thats what we need, hopefully it will get the Americans to sell up

TBH I wonder if this has anything to do with Chev Walker's leg break. When Chev broke his leg they showed the break a few times, from different angles. That was pretty nasty and I reckon there will have been complaints.

It could be that Sky have been warned that if they do that again, they'll be in trouble.

For me though it's one extreme to the other. They showed far too much for Chev's injury and not enough of Ramsay's. Shawcross was sent off for that, IMO it wasn't a red card challenge, not even a yellow actually. But Shawcross will now go down as the player who did Ramsays leg on purpose. And with the way Wenger operates, it'll go down as one of the worst tackles of all time and Shawcross will be under a shadow for the rest of his career.

And as for Sky blocking out this incident from customers Sky boxes, I think it's appalling that they have this ability and even more appalling that they're using it.

His 19 year old midfielder got absolutely crunched and had his leg snapped, he is absolutely entitled to be upset. Everyone's dislike of Wenger can't change the fact that it was a horrendous tackle which could have serious implications for Ramsey's career. Wake up ffs.

To be fair, although it was a 50/50 ball, he missed it and kicked Aaron Ramsey's leg with his full force, and that's a sending off. I have no doubt it was unintentional but it's still a sending off.

While I do think Campbell was wrong in reacting as he did, and the ref too, I do think the circumstances were such that it was easy to over-react.

Ramsey is a 19 year old kid with a potentially wonderful future ahead of him. To see him in agony on the floor with his leg facing in different directions is going to effect you. Especially with Arsenal's recent history with horrific injuries, they are going to feel a little paranoid over it.

So I don't hold Campbell's reaction against him. I don't really hold the ref sending Shawcross off against him. That doesn't apply to Wenger though. He is an utter ****. He had time to properly assess the situation but still came out with nonsense.

Upset, yes.

Over-react and act like a tit and some how make out that it is a witch-hunt against Arsenal, not a chance.

Completely disagree.

Take away the broken leg part of the incident and Shawcross would've been unlucky to have been given a yellow.

I don't think it was a horrendous tackle. It was a horrendous injury, but the tackle was innocuous.

Wrong. By your reckoning whenever there is a 50/50 the player who doesn't win the ball should be sent from the field of play? We would have 7-a-side games going on everywhere. It was an extremely unfortunate accident. Shawcross possibly got a part of the ball and for me it was a yellow card at worst. Though looking at Shawcross he would of been unable to play on due to the distress it caused himself. All in all an awful accident and you just have to hope that the break is clean and he can be back by the start of next season. If ligaments etc are involved thats when he is going to be in trouble.

As my Arsenal supporting friend has just said to me when I said what I thought of Wengers comments "Yeh true u know wot he's like tho mate. Just suprising he saw it !" even their own fans know what a plonker wenger is

Hes probably this upset because Ramsey didnt handle the ball when he went down

No. A 50/50 tackle in which you kick someone's leg with such force that you break it should result in you being sent from the field of play. Whichever way you dress it up he still missed the ball and kicked Aaron Ramsey with force, that's a sending off whether you break someone's leg or not. I guarantee you that Ryan Shawcross won't be complaining.

I'm struggling to understand your point. Your saying he should go into a 50/50 with less than 100%? He may of missed the ball, i thought i say him clip the top of it, but he wasn't high nor were his studs raised. Are we going to say any challenge that result in injury, whether it be dirty or not, results in a red? This challenge will of happened countless times over the weekend, unfortunately every so often something like this will happen. In my opinion it's nobodies fault. Just an awful accident.

Let me put it this way, if that was Craig Bellamy or Mascherano or countless other players making the tackle, and the opponents weren't Arsenal, then the reaction would be very different. I don't want to see players get sent off, but kicking players legs is dangerous play and not in the laws of the game. If Ramsey hadn't broken his leg he would still have been in a great deal of pain. It was an unfortunate incident, but it was also a foul, and the fact that Shawcross is a 'nice lad' shouldn't mean we bend the rules for him. I hope him and Ramsey recover in their different ways, and that Shawcross is not given a hard time over it.

Okay, so you've sent Shawcross off for breaking his leg. He'll get a 3 match ban for that.

Today Ramsey is interviewed by the papers and, like Chev Walker, he says that he already had an existing fracture which was actually the cause of the break.

Are you going to rescind that red card and 3 match ban?

IMO that challenge simply wasn't worthy of a red card. It was an innocuous challenge. Take away the leg break and there's no way on earth he'd have got red for that. So IMO it shouldn't have been a red card even with the broken leg. Shawcross may or may not be complaining. That doesn't matter to me. IMO the ref should be rescinding that red card whether Shawcross complains or not.

The severity of the tackle is obviously arguable, but that's a ludicrous suggestion IMO. Given the circumstances I think the ref would look a little stupid if he were to rescind the red card.

Shawcross' background or the teams involved have nothing to do with my thoughts on the incident. I think when you look at it they have both gone full blooded. Neither has gone in high. It's just an unfortunate accident, these things happen on a football pitch. Your saying that it wasn't premeditated, it wasn't high and it was extremely unfortunate but he should still be sent off? I'm sorry but that really doesn't make any sense. If you play this weekend and accidentally trip someone who falls badly and fractures an ankle, should you be sent off because you shouldn't of kicked him up in the air with such force? Nope, you made a genuine attempt to play the ball and these things happen.

Once again I'll wish Ramsay a speedy recovery.