Only a city fan would compare a nobody like De Jong to a world class midfielder like Essien

'Comfortable on the ball'? He panics with it. Neither can he carry the ball over distance or go past a player. Jenas is far superior in that area.




Don't you mean that his decision-making is poor? He's been in the Prem for long enough.




Redknapp would say anything to sooth someone's ego. He's like a second-hand car salesman.


He may be a decent midfielder (IMO I think Cattermole is better, and Cana) but he isn't a top 4 midfielder.

We are talking about bravery here, not as a footballer.

YSB

My own fault! I should have known better than reply to you


I'll go back to responding to the serious posters.

To be honest, I thought the same of you. I felt we were there for the taking and I was surprised with how negative City were for long parts of the game, I was also disappointed with us as we just gave up once we took the lead, you came out of your shell and got two goals, we hit straight back then both sides seemed to cancel eachother out.

I thought you could easily have beaten us on the weekend, but you didn't and to be honest, it just felt like both sides put in a half-d performance. You can take pride in the way you defended, but I felt most decent sides could have got a win on the weekend, especially with the early injuries we got.

I agree with you here. I really rate Cattermole, he is the sort of player that will wind up opposition, yet he will never back out of a challenge.

Any way, no player mentioned is fit to lace the boots of Darren Fletcher: Football Genious.

Aye, I agree. You can add Hargreaves, if and when he gets fit again, although he can pass.



TBF that's probably because he is playing for Scotland. A better question is why do United look vulnerable and weak without Fletcher, that gives him the credit he deserves.

I've always thought that Essien offers far more further forward in midfield. He's got pretty much everything going for him, playing in the holding role limits him somewhat IMO.

Though I cannot see why there are question marks over his bravery, he's never come across as a shrinking violet whenever I've seen him.

I sincerely hope that was intended

At least City had a go at Liverpoo when they went a goal down, unlike another Manchester-named side to visit Anfield this season....and they got their just rewards to be honest too, if only they'd played that way from the beginning they could have won fairly easily.

Palacios breaks up play well and drives his team forward and has given Spurs so much needed steel since he went there.

Fletcher is not a star player as such and therefore would not stand out in a poor side like Scotland. However put him in Utd's side and he looks an excellent player who can be used in several roles but is most effective as either a holding player to employed to break up the oppositions attacks or as a box to box type player. Barry is a good comparison but Ireland is just an attacking player imo and whether or not they are better is debateable.

A few months? He joined in Jan didn't he? Also I never said he was rubbish, I like him as a player and even before he joined City but I just happen to rate other players either the same or better. You might be right about Valencia and Obertan, I still find that Valencia does not produce an end product enough aalthough he is improving and Obertan has looked quite good but has only had an hour or two's football so impossible to form an opinion.

They'll let any old thicko into Uni nowadays.

Not questioning his bravery. I just think that De Jong has the heart of a lion and is about the bravest player I have watched when it comes to 50:50s

Subtle.

'Breaks up play'? He does that by running around. His tackling is terrible. He has a 'technique' similar to Scholes.

He does provide physicality but he is not a top midfielder. TBH I think Jenas is better.

Did I make you smudge your lippy? You made a point, and I simply questioned it.



If you are sensitive to other people's opinions, then I suggest you don't post on any forum.

What do you disagree with? How about stating what you disagree with and backing it up with why you have that opinion.

Jenas has a great eye for a pass and can chip in with goals but is far too lightweight imo and drifts in and out of games, hence the reason he is on the bench most weeks at present.

Wigan players set to refund fans/ news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 374893.stm Lucky for them that Wigan only get 20 people travelling away to London to see them.

Wigan players set to refund fans/ news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 374893.stm Lucky for them that Wigan only get 20 people travelling away to London to see them.

Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"Wigan players set to refund fans/ news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 374893.stm Lucky for them that Wigan only get 20 people travelling away to London to see them.'" Not a great time to be involved in Wigan Athletic is it? I bet they can't show their faces in public.

Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"Wigan players set to refund fans/ news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 374893.stm Lucky for them that Wigan only get 20 people travelling away to London to see them.'" Not a great time to be involved in Wigan Athletic is it? I bet they can't show their faces in public.

i actually have some sympathy for them, fair enough they lost 9-1 but it was just one of them days for them, the stats show that spurs had 13 shots on target its very rair that you get 9 of them going in the net.

i still dont think they will have a problem with relegation, they have lost a lot of there better players, for example, Palacios, Velencia, Heskey.

This defeat proves Wigan do need to strenthen in January.

Despite conceding 9, our defence isn't usually too bad, but Edman was atracious and doesn't look Premier League quality at the moment.

We need to add some firepower up front without a doubt. Personally and realistically I would go for Raul Tamudo. He's a proven goalscorer and is unsettled at Espanyol.

A fella i work with's lad plays for latics reserves, callum mcmanaman they should give him a chance. Decent striker, cant be any worse than what was playing for latics yesterday!

In truth, if Wigan Athletic's first team played their reserves, they'd probably win 9-1 too.

It was, as I said earlier on this thread, definitely Jussi's fault. He has no need to be outside of the penalty box it's just nonsense. For the record and I've seen him plenty of times over the past 10 years, he's a great shot-stopper but unfortunately not the best communicator.

Indeed.