Just banter, Mark.

As for Martin Kelly. He's a top player, will fight for every ball for England. He will make a fantastic ball-carrying CB one day.

The FA should have suspended him but as he's English then that was not likely to happen. Hopefully he'll get the right verdict in court and have a nice holiday at Her Majesty's pleasure. Suarez should have been there too.

Really would Ferdinand have made that much difference to our performances in the coming weeks?.

The squad is in transition...time to blood the kids, give them some experience...no expectation this time around so let them enjoy it and not pillar them if it doesn't go well.

The offense of which he is accused isn't imprisonable. Fine at worst.

So the FA stripped Terry of the English captaincy, they ended up sacking their manager because he was peed off about it, but they didn't want anything untoward happening???



Police action is clearly of a more serious nature than being dealt with by the FA, so the FA rightly suspended their investigation pending the outcome of the court case.

Didn't Hodgson say that Ferdinand has only played once for England since 2010? I guess that's Terry's fault too?

So which players have been suspended pending an investigation?

TBH Terry's reps were responsible for him losing the England captaincy. They asked that the court case taking place in the off-season, so as to cause less disruption to his career. So they got the July date, the FA said that was too long to wait with it hanging over his head so they decided he couldn't be England captain.

Bowyer and Woodgate.

Did you miss this Jose??

I cannot say what Ferdinand's form was like, as I haven't watched anywhere near enough to judge. (And I suspect you haven't seen anywhere near enough to judge Terry either, but you're Man U, you'll do what you want.)

But I have seen plenty of Terry and overall he has been excellent in a badly performing side. Yes, he has screwed up with a red card against Barca, and he sucked ass against Liverpool with everything he did turning out wrong. But I suspect Rio wasn't too hot when you get smashed 6-1 by Citeh.

But this season Terry did pick up an FA Cup and Champions League winners medal. Surely a winning habit is something that England need, Terry has it right now, Ferdinand doesn't.

It is also funny how often Man United players can decide to quit on England, but when the England captaincy is available, or a player has decided he actually CanBA then it's a scandal they aren't picked. But then again, you're Man United, you'll do what you want.

A winning habit? Classic. Rio has won far more in his career. John Terry won the FA cup and disgraced himself AGAIN in the champions league semi and final, cost his club the trophy in 2008. Hopefully the rat faced, mate's wife shagging, disabled abusing, american 911 laughing, ing in a nightclub, allegedly(racial abusing) cuunt is in prison in a few months time. I don't dislike any player in any sport as much as I do John Terry, a truely horrible individual. How many times have the FA had to take the captaincy off him?

John Terry really is a waste of skin and air. Wasn't he also father of the year a few years back too ? He'll never win as much as Rio will. He is a horrible individual and it was funny seeing him get in to his Chelsea kit and celebrating the Champions League success like he took part in the game. The sooner he retires the better.

I wouldn't mind, but Terry is so average and gets found out so often for England, why the F do managers waste their time with him?

What choice do they have? Take him anyway or leave him out of your squad and risk him banging your wife whilst your away.

Did they find out if that Ferdinand pic was real or photoshopped? (the one where it appeared to be him holding a sign saying 'Woy do I look bovvered?'). If it was genuine him, Terry and Rooney should all never pull on an England shirt again IMO.

So over 10 years ago two players were suspended because they'd beaten the crap out of someone, so now Terry should be suspended because someone might have seen him swear on youtube?

Racial abuse is different to swearing.

Rio took the captaincy off John Terry, even though it was revealed in court that he'd had 10 women on the side while he was with the mother of his children.

If you count major honors, Ferdinand has won 10 trophies, John Terry has won 11. Seeing as you're a Manc you won't know this, but 11 is a bigger number than 10.

I don't dislike Rio Ferdinand, because I don't know him. But the manner in which he goes about his life doesn't seem too far removed from the way that John Terry does. But it seems that Man United are joining Arsenal and Liverpool in hypocritically condemning others for things they do themselves.

Racial abuse that no one was even aware of until someone reported what they'd seen on youtube to the cops. A clip that was partly obscured but helpfully flashed what someone thought he'd said to help people out.

Even if he's found guilty, it's still only going to be a three match ban if they follow the precedent of the Suarez case.

But keeping Ferdinand in England runs the risk of him killing your wife because he's driving drunk.

Suarez got 8 though if I remember correctly.

Because he was punished for each offence, in the same way that Barton was.

All l did was answer your question!

But lets play along!......What is the diffeance, both Woodgate and Bowyer could not be picked by the then England manager because of the soon to be court case(both would have been a shoe in for at least the squad)?

Does innocent until proven gulity not work in that instance?.....

OK.

11 years ago two players weren't picked because they were involved in a serious court case. A court case that ended up with their friend getting a six year sentence.

Since then, there have been numerous players being involved with court cases and not been dropped. Steven Gerrard for one.

When there is 'evidence' showing Terry's offence, I really do struggle to understand how the FA have taken the 'innocent til guilty' approach.

If there was video evidence of Luis Suarez going "youingblac", I'd never shut up wanting him to be sacked, but Suarez got stitched up whilst Terry gets the preferential treatment. The fact they've removed the captaincy shows some kind of recognition for Terry's actions, but why did they stop there? They can't say "you're not captaining us because of it, but you can still play", that's defying the point.