Jeez at this rate if a few more QBs pull out JaMarcus Russell will be starting

Although the new format means London Fletcher will, finally, get the pro bowl spot he's deserved for so long (he was 1st alternate to Vilma) it is a joke.

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Some gave Klausen going quite late mainly due to needs though. Im guessing well go linebacker as were pretty set on offence.

I don't see how he could go late.

Rams
Skins
Seahawks
Browns
Raiders
Bills
Denver

Those are all in the top 11 teams. All of who have varying degrees of need for a QB. Skins, Hawks, Browns, Bills all have new coaches/GM's/staff etc and generally new staff mean a new QB. Raiders could be done with Jamarcus Russell, Denver could do with somebody to develop who is better than Orton. Browns could be done with Quinn. Let alone people trading up or back in etc.

I really don't see him going any later than 4 at the lowest.

The guy just had a better season in every category than: Peyton, Eli, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Ryan had in their junior seasons. All have had success in the NFL.

Skins have multiple needs, especially OL and may carry on with Campbell for another year or two. But any talk of drafting a Franchise QB for us, and there has been some, has all been about Bradford NOT Clausen.

You may not be sold on the DTs but Mike Mayock, who is pretty solid in his draft assessments, is clear they're the two best players in the draft. He rates them way ahead of any QB but his top QB is also Bradford and not Clausen.

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Oh, yeah definately, i know the talk has been of Bradford (because he may well be the best QB available to you), but my point was you need a QB and you have to think if Clausen is available there is a chance you'd take him.



I'm sold on the DT's. I haven't said anything bad about them. Infact i've said Suh could very well be the second coming of Warren Sapp. I haven't seen as much of McCoy but again he is very good in what i have seen.

It's a risk taking any player. Clausen or Suh could bust, but i think based on the fact that Clausen comes from a pro-style offence, has played for longer than most juniors and has had one of the best junior seasons for any QB ever means that pressuming he has a decent combine and looks good when he is brought in by the teams then any team that needs a QB (ie Rams) has to take Clausen every day ahead of Suh. Even if Suh goes on to have an excellent career. You can win without excellent DT's. You can't win with Keith Null and Marc Bulger as your QB's.

They might be the best two players like Mayock says, but that doesn't really mean anything compared to draft needs. For example last year Mayock rated Eugene Monroe as his number player overall and had Sanchez at 11 and Stafford at 13.

It's a lot of fun



...and yes, the WHO DAT chant sounds pretty cool with 70k doing it. I also loved the touchdown celebration music and 'dance cam'.

We have that many needs that I can see us taking either of the big 2. We may well draft Clausen but we have that many holes that any player could be taken. A rookie QB aint gunna get us wins next year. An average QB with a considerably improved D may see us be somewhere near competitive.

Like the Lions last year you need a QB and if there is a franchise one available you don't pass up on them. Say you go Suh and in your own words end up near competitive then you miss out on Locker and are poor again with nobody in the future to lead your team.

Not only from a playing standpoint is a QB more important but financially it's important to have a "face of the franchise" and with the Rams being touted as one of the potential teams to move to LA since they wouldn't require re-aligning an LA franchise they could just put them in the NFC West having Clausen is that much more important. Likewise first round (top 10?) money on 3 D-lineman is a really high amount.

I really like Suh, he is excellent, but if the organisation thinks Clausen is going to make it as a QB (all indications are he will) then you'd be crazy not to take him.

I suppose the other option is to take Jason Campbell and draft Suh. Is Campbell a guy for the future, could you win the division with him? I don't know.

It'll certainly be an interesting decision and one which will have serious long term ramifications. If you go Suh and Clausen ends up as a top 10 QB you'd want him. If you go Clausen and Suh turns out like Sapp Mk. II then you'd want him.

I hope Brett Favre doesn't retire. He still has it at 40 years of age. Bloody legend !!!

That all makes sense but remember there are plenty of 1st round, heck even 1st overall, QBs that are massive busts.

I bet the Raiders don't want Russell as the face of their Franchise.

All the time Al Davis is breathing, no player will ever be the face of that franchise.

We seem to keep coming back to this argument



My opinion is that if we pick at 1, we pick Suh. If we trade down a couple of places, we take Clausen. You mentioned in an earlier post about Stafford being taken at number 1 despite being rated 3rd overall in the draft. However, Stafford was seen as a legitimate number 1 choice for a team in need of a QB. There is no QB entering the draft this year that meets the value of a top overall draft choice. Locker might have had he declared for the draft, Bradford probably would have been had he not got the injury to his shoulder.

In the 6 years I've been watching the NFL, I don't think I've seen (or at least can't recall) a draft where there has been one player who has been called the out and out best player entering the draft. This year is different.

One other way of saying is that the Oakland Raiders will only get somewhere when Al Davis pops his clogs. He should leave the drafting of players to his coaching staff and not just pick the top player out of the draft.

If that face of the franchise spends most of his playing time either face down on the turf or throwing picks out of desperation because he's being protected by a swiss cheese line it won't matter how many shirts he sells, he'll be a bust.

WTF? Where are The Pats!? Thats my Super Bowl team, thought they got there every year or summink? Who can I like this time then?

They were owned by the Ravens. There's only Indianapolis and New Oreleans left so take your pick.

Oh yeah i agree. Both could bust. Clausen could bust and Suh could be beyond excellent. Likewise Suh could be a bust and Clausen could be the re-incarnation of Peyton Manning.

My points are conditional upon the franchises believing that they can both be as good as they are supposed to be. Obviously if the Rams don't think Clausen is good enough then they will take Suh (and vice versa).



Again i agree but the Rams spent a top 3 pick last year on a LT. How about giving him somebody worth protecting.

I hear Brady played with a leg missing and half his chest caved in? Or soemthing.

GO SAINTS!

Stafford was rated as the 13th best player by Mayock not 3rd.

Clausen is better than Stafford. Clausen had one of the best if not the best seasons of a junior QB to enter the draft (obviously that doesn't neccesarily translate to being an NFL standard QB). You need a QB. It's pretty simple.



As for players being called the best, the only one i can think of is Reggie Bush.

Indeed but there were quite a few doubts about whether or not he would be able to make it in the NFL as an every down back and would simply be a situational guy, something which, to this point has pretty much turned out to be true.

Clausen isn't going to turn this franchise around which leads me to believe that we'll be picking top 10 again next season. I would prefer to pick up a player described as potentially the most dominant player to come out of college in the last 10 years and then pick up our QB of the future next season where there's arguably better options to choose from.

I would say Vince young was just as highly rated as Bush leading up to the draft after all he'd just won the MVP in the rose bowl against Bush's USC team.

I'm hoping Vince Young carries on improving next year and carrying on doing so.

VY has improved this year but i dont think he will ever be that real elite passer.