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| Quote ="Bridger"Of course we target the best players. I'm referring to the posts on here which suggest that we have international test stars sat waiting by the phone for IL to call and they'll drop everything because we're Wigan.
Give over. Some of the posts on this thread are things like 'when Bailey, Phelps, Smith and Coley go, we can replace them with Sonny Bill and Gasnier cos they don't like France and get Lockyer and Folau in as well with [ithe rest of the Barrett money[/i'!
You know the ones.'"
Guess your right although Gasnier and SBW could well be potential targets
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| Yes but others name players such as Lynch, Myler, Dobson. Very realistic targets.
Pat under the high ball- when I think about it, it's more of a positioning issue. Watch the likes of Briscoe and Webb, as more natural fullbacks they read the game and positioning of the position better.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan" Yes but others name players such as Lynch, Myler, Dobson. Very realistic targets. '"
Really? Myler and Dobson are both under contract until after the 2010 season.
You recently mentioned Briscoe. He is under contract at Hull KR until the end of 2011.
Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Pat under the high ball- when I think about it, it's more of a positioning issue. Watch the likes of Briscoe and Webb, as more natural fullbacks they read the game and positioning of the position better. '"
It is a positioning issue. It is no coincidence that Leeds got 2 40/20's the other week and repeatedly found the floor. That was Bluey doing his homework.
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| Quote ="Bridger"It is a positioning issue. It is no coincidence that Leeds got 2 40/20's the other week and repeatedly found the floor. That was Bluey doing his homework.'"
Very true but on Friday myself and others have commented how well Richards read the game and his positioning for all of the Salford kicks was almost perfect. I think proof of that can be seen in the extended meters he made from kick returns. Friday was one of his best games he’s had at FB for me and long may it continue as we finally found a way to get him more involved with the attacking aspect of the game.
Pat is getting better each week at 1 and with Rads now on the coaching staff I’m sure a few pointers will be given Richards way. Lets not forget both Vievers and Rads can help his game no end and I’m more than happy for Pat to continue at 1 till his contract runs out.
Btw Amos is on a 4 year deal so anyone who thinks we can easily get rid of him is in for a massive shock. We have our back three sorted for a the next three years now and it’s a strong one which has plenty of room for improvement as well I’d go as far to say in two years I’d fully expect it to be one of the strongest in SL
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Do we want to win things? Then lets get real. Let's look at our team.
1 Richards (Decent full back but not 100% under the high ball, would move him to the wing)
2 Roberts (Really needs to improve his work rate, shocking under the high ball considering he's played FB so often)
3 Bailey (Steady Eddie. nothing more)
7 Tommy (I like him, but a better 9)
8 Fielden (Gone, past it, for what reason isn't the issue anymore, the true is he's gone)
10 Coley (Will be seen as a poor signing by the time he leaves)
13 Lockers (Better as a SR, not good enough to be a ball playing loose or capt.
Future (Which would be nice)
1 Briscoe
2 Richards
3 Attacking fast big strong centre
4 Carmont
5 Ainscough
6 Tomkins
7 Dobson/Myler
8 New hard as nails prop, not an enforcer but an intimidator, some one with presence
9 Riddell
10 Same as 8, lets build a pack other teams are scared of.
11 Hock
12 Lockers
13 J Tomkins
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Mathers
Fielden
Coley
Goulding
Phelps
O Carroll (Yep, A tough one, but I don't think he'll make it)
Smith
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Roberts'"
Pat should be kept at full back IMO he is one of the sfaest pair of hands in super league and is going to continue to improve his positioning (which was excellent on Friday) every week
I think people are writing Amos off to quickly, he obviously has the speed and talent to be a good signing for us. Give him a few more months and games before judging him. We won't see the best of him until the dry weather comes around like it is with all Aussie signings. A quality centre who can provide him with decent ball is a must for next season as he will score tries and a fair few at that
Hansen is a very solid player and every top team has a few of these. We should keep him until the likes of Mossop and Farrell have come through and if it is then the right thing to do to let him go then so be it
Letting a player as young as Eamon with the amount of potential he has is ridiculous. He has been one of our best players so far this season and I think it would be a huge mistake to let him go
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| Quote ="Bridger"Why does anybody think that any of the players people are placing in their Wigan teams for 2010 or 2011 would want to come to Wigan?'"
That would be an issue but these teams are mere mock-ups/dream teams if you like. No-one has adopted the attitude that everyone will sign for Wigan if we showed any sign of interest just because it is Wigan.
But I don't believe that targets such as Andy Lynch or Kylie Leuluai (rumoured) are unrealistic.
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| Quote ="cadoo"That would be an issue but these teams are mere mock-ups/dream teams if you like. No-one has adopted the attitude that everyone will sign for Wigan if we showed any sign of interest just because it is Wigan.
But I don't believe that targets such as Andy Lynch or Kylie Leuluai (rumoured) are unrealistic.'"
Agreed
Most people use examples of players that are off contract or have a known fondness of Wigan
Prop, centre and SH is what we need though
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| I think 3 players what would benefit our squad are Myler from Salford, Rob Purdham from the Quins and LMS, also off the Quins.
3 players who wouldnt cost the world, and are English and all have good looking futures ahead off them.
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| Quote ="Ashton Warrior"I think 3 players what would benefit our squad are Myler from Salford, Rob Purdham from the Quins and LMS, also off the Quins.
3 players who wouldnt cost the world, and are English and all have good looking futures ahead off them.'"
Why and who would you drop?
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| Quote ="kirkamania6"Why and who would you drop?'"
Well, to be honest mate I didnt really think off a starting 13 when i said them, hence the reason I said they would benefit our squad.
But from what Ive seen of Purdham, he seens a good player with a good rugby brain and also a good kicker if memory serves me right.
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| Quote ="Ashton Warrior"Well, to be honest mate I didnt really think off a starting 13 when i said them, hence the reason I said they would benefit our squad.
But from what Ive seen of Purdham, he seens a good player with a good rugby brain and also a good kicker if memory serves me right.'"
He is but I just don't see where he would fit into our squad. We already have Hansen, Hock, Lockers and Joel Tomkins who are all young Wigan lads and form one of (if not) the best back row in super league. With the likes of Mossop and Farrell coming through as well I think it would be unnecessary to get him
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Yes but others name players such as Lynch, Myler, Dobson. Very realistic targets.
Pat under the high ball- when I think about it, it's more of a positioning issue. Watch the likes of Briscoe and Webb, as more natural fullbacks they read the game and positioning of the position better.'"
I was going to reply to you in the other topic regarding wigan players out on the lash but thats been blocked...
To me, you sound like a p!ssed off player who never made it big, never played anything higher than the reserves before finally being dropped.
I'm sorry, but it doesn't matter what job your in, Policeman, plumber, footballer, rugby player - It's a job at the end of the day, and everyone is entitled to chill out after a day at work...
Yep, i'll admit, if I seen a wigan player out before a game, i'd be p!ssed off at that, because that's just stupid... But after a game, regardless of a win/loss... it's fine. Simple as that.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Yes but others name players such as Lynch, Myler, Dobson. Very realistic targets.
Pat under the high ball- when I think about it, it's more of a positioning issue. Watch the likes of Briscoe and Webb, as more natural fullbacks they read the game and positioning of the position better.'"
You're off your head mate...he's one of the best positionally I've seen and I've been watching the game 20+ years!
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| Quote ="LordLoveRocket87"I was going to reply to you in the other topic regarding wigan players out on the lash but thats been blocked...
To me, you sound like a p!ssed off player who never made it big, never played anything higher than the reserves before finally being dropped.
I'm sorry, but it doesn't matter what job your in, Policeman, plumber, footballer, rugby player - It's a job at the end of the day, and everyone is entitled to chill out after a day at work...
Yep, i'll admit, if I seen a wigan player out before a game, i'd be p!ssed off at that, because that's just stupid... But after a game, regardless of a win/loss... it's fine. Simple as that.'"
Except that it isn't as simple as that.
Many top athletes abstain from alcohol entirely during the performing season, quite a few RL players among them. Ellery Hanley was a very good example.
Now I wouldn't go as far as to impose a drink ban on these lads. But as a way to maintain your fitness, it's far from being a fanciful ideal.
And though I've heard it said many times, it doesn't stack up to compare athletes whose vocation demands extreme levels of physical excellence with plumbers, policemen etc, who work at a far more sedate and physically less demanding pace. It simply doesn't, and I don't understand why people insist on making this daft comparison.
When you think about it, to go on the wagon during the RL season is not even that much of a sacrifice, given the potential rewards. Professional sportsmen have very short careers. If they want to be the best, they can leave the booze until they've retired - at the ripe old age of 30 in many cases, so it's not as if they'll miss out completely on the party animal lifestyle.
But as I said, it's down to the individual players. It's about how much they're prepared to give up to be the best at what they do. And if they're not prepared to go that extra dry mile, fair enough. Maybe it'll make no difference to their career, maybe it will. They'll never know.
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| What about Darrell Griffin?
Fell out with Nathan Brown at Huddersfield thats why he didnt play the other week and they dont get on.
I think he has potential and runs the ball in really hard.
Thoughts????
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| Quote ="post"What about Darrell Griffin?
Fell out with Nathan Brown at Huddersfield thats why he didnt play the other week and they dont get on.
I think he has potential and runs the ball in really hard.
Thoughts????'"
Attitude is his problem but he can be a very good player.
I'd take a punt on him.
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| Quote ="post"What about Darrell Griffin?
Fell out with Nathan Brown at Huddersfield thats why he didnt play the other week and they dont get on.
I think he has potential and runs the ball in really hard.
Thoughts????'"
If our injuries get worse bring him in till the end of this season.
But long term we should be keeping well away.
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| Griffin could be an inexpensive option at the moment if Hudds would look at loaning him out. We need to bolster the pack anyway and he's a big unit although reportedly not the hardest working.
Anyone got his stats?
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| Position 15
Shirt number 10
Appearances 4
Tries 0
Try assists 0
Goals 0
Drop Goals 0
Meters 386
Carries 46 {just over 8 metres per carry}
Tackles 77
Offloads 3
Attacking Kicks 1
Runs from dummy half 1
Tackle Busts 3
Marker tackles 7
Clean Breaks 0
Forty twenty 0
Kicks in general play 1
Missed goals 0
Missed tackles 5
Errors 0
Penalties 0
Red cards 0
Yellow cards 0
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| Quote ="p1e e8ter"Position 15
Shirt number 10
Appearances 4
Tries 0
Try assists 0
Goals 0
Drop Goals 0
Meters 386
Carries 46 {just over 8 metres per carry}
Tackles 77
Offloads 3
Attacking Kicks 1
Runs from dummy half 1
Tackle Busts 3
Marker tackles 7
Clean Breaks 0
Forty twenty 0
Kicks in general play 1
Missed goals 0
Missed tackles 5
Errors 0
Penalties 0
Red cards 0
Yellow cards 0'"
Average then really
Not what we are looking for
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| I seem like a rugby player who didn't quite make it? Don't be so quick to put people down, and don't make rash judgements with aim to offend.
And it further disgusts that you think and compared playing for Wigan as the same as any other job.
Some of us still have respect, grew up loving the club and still do, being part of this great team with so much history and feeling is more than just a job.
I just hope to god the players in our team have a better attitude and approach that you.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"Griffin could be an inexpensive option at the moment if Hudds would look at loaning him out. We need to bolster the pack anyway and he's a big unit although reportedly not the hardest working.
Anyone got his stats?'"
Giants wont loan him out,finningan and raleigh are out for a while so they wont weaken the pack even more,hes back in the 1st team now.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Except that it isn't as simple as that.
Many top athletes abstain from alcohol entirely during the performing season, quite a few RL players among them. Ellery Hanley was a very good example.
Now I wouldn't go as far as to impose a drink ban on these lads. But as a way to maintain your fitness, it's far from being a fanciful ideal.
And though I've heard it said many times, it doesn't stack up to compare athletes whose vocation demands extreme levels of physical excellence with plumbers, policemen etc, who work at a far more sedate and physically less demanding pace. It simply doesn't, and I don't understand why people insist on making this daft comparison.
When you think about it, to go on the wagon during the RL season is not even that much of a sacrifice, given the potential rewards. Professional sportsmen have very short careers. If they want to be the best, they can leave the booze until they've retired - at the ripe old age of 30 in many cases, so it's not as if they'll miss out completely on the party animal lifestyle.
But as I said, it's down to the individual players. It's about how much they're prepared to give up to be the best at what they do. And if they're not prepared to go that extra dry mile, fair enough. Maybe it'll make no difference to their career, maybe it will. They'll never know.'"
Although I agree with your point regarding players and alcohol - even the best need a little time to relax. Yes, they're representing Wigan RL at all times, even when out on the lash and thus should act accordingly, which you'll find the vast majority do so and do themselves no harm. Only a minority make a show of themselves and put the club in a poor light.
I'm not saying they should all go out on the lash and encourage a 'party animal lifestyle' among the team - but surely they should be allowed to enjoy themselves, within good reason?
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