2003. 4 wins out of 4 incl. Play Off. We also didn't lose to Saints in 2004 either (in the league) but drew on Good Friday that time.

No, but if you ask an Aussie/Kiwi import player or coach "Who is the most important team to win in a season", they know it's Saints!

The CC & GF are for show, Saints is bragging rights! Don't undermine the Derby!

In Monie's Magic, I'm sure Monie tells the tale of his first press conference in '89 and some old timer saying something like "as long as you beat St Helens and get us to Wembley".

Wire/Wigan is now a bigger fixture than St Helens/Wigan. It's a clash between the 2 biggest sides in the game at the moment.

Only to Wire supporters.

No offence but Wire v Wigan will NEVER be bigger than Saints/Wigan.

Why not? Wire are a bigger club than Saints,currently have a better team and we've been more successful than them over the last couple of years.

exactly that. Wigan Saints has been going for years and years and nothing can ever replace that!

History, tradition, respect, passion. All of which Wigan vs Wire is lacking in compared to a Wigan vs Saints game. Form/Teams/Previous Success means little in Wigan v Saints games. Dont worry, we dont expect you to understand.

So are you saying St Helens are a bigger club than Wire? Nonsense.

Wigan and Warrington are the biggest and most famous names in our sport. Ask any non-RL fan to name 2 RL clubs and that's the 2 that they'd name.

Erm... No thats not what I said at all



But yeah, St Helens are a bigger Rugby League club than Warrington to be honest

I'd take a bet up on that one with you. Because I know from experience that last comment is utter rubbish.

Warrington in the last couple of years have improved, but they aren't a bigger club than St Helens. I work all over Manchester, Derbyshire and Cheshire and whenever people ask me who I support in football and I tell them I'm a rugby league fan they won't ever start talking to me about Warrington. It's generally Wigan, Saints and Leeds that they mention first.

Sorry to burst your bubble WireWonder, but to non RL fans you aren't that famous. Just speaking from experience of areas away from Warrington itself.

He was joking wasn't he..

Oh dear.

The lyrics:

'Show me the way to go home
I'm tired and I want to go to bed
I had a little drink about an hour ago
And it went right to my head'

Are apt. for WireWonder.

Even your fellow Wire fans are laughing at you.

I think even if you asked any rugby league fan (Wire fans being the exception), nevermind an non-RL fan, they wouldn't even say Warrington.

Well we'll have to agree to disagree. But i've always seen us at Warrington as a bigger club than St Helens. I find it daft that anyone would think otherwise.

I see only Wigan as bigger than us in English RL.

And people say Wigan fans should take their Cherry & White specs off.

You've a long way to go till your even in the top 3 biggest RL clubs. In England.

Wigan
Saints
Leeds
Widnes
Hull KR
Bradford

All bigger clubs historically.

Are you the same Wire fan that thought going to Perpignan by coach was a day trip?

So because the 2 cups you won in the last 2 years were the first since some milk cup back in the 70/80's you are now automatically a huge RL force and recognised all over.

I disagree, Warrington are the biggest club in the world.

They won the challenge cup for the last 2 years.
They played infront of over 100k at Odsal.
They have a nice stadium which they own.
They have salt and pepper on their hotdog stands.
They have the greenest grass in super league.

I wish I was a wire to be honest.