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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I don’t know if ‘picking games’ is quite the right way to describe it but the intensity we’ve played at and the concentration levels we’ve displayed, in games at Leigh and Warrington, on Good Friday and in the two cup games are night and day compared to the vast majority of other games we’ve played this season. We certainly aren’t managing to string together a run of performances where we look fully focused and motivated.'"
Maybe we aren’t capable of stringing a run together with the current squad available? I don’t think that we have enough points in us to maintain a long term challenge for GF.
The coaching team have got to remedy the issue with French as for me he will not make it at 6 and currently his talent is being wasted
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| Quote ="Luppylad"Shall we ignore how much marshall was off side when the kick went through for his try or the try wakefield had dissowled for knocking ball backwards. Not seen the stats but i would say wigan had more penalties and more set restarts but wigan concede a penalty that was a penalty and lets all blame the ref.
Typical wigan fans'"
Typical small club fan mentality thinking you never get any 50-50s. 2 crazy decisions handed you the game.
And yes let’s ignore how much Marshall was offside, because he wasn’t
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"Typical small club fan mentality thinking you never get any 50-50s. 2 crazy decisions handed you the game.
And yes let’s ignore how much Marshall was offside, because he wasn’t
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You can see marshall foot in front of kicker which is by letter of the law offside also look at french trey look how your star player griffiths obstructs liam hood when he comes away from the scrum and hood is the last player to touch french had that been an official wigan player no try,typical of fans like you oh the mighty wigan lost cos of ref well worst team to many just did you...
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| Quote ="Luppylad"You can see marshall foot in front of kicker which is by letter of the law offside also look at french trey look how your star player griffiths obstructs liam hood when he comes away from the scrum and hood is the last player to touch french had that been an official wigan player no try,typical of fans like you oh the mighty wigan lost cos of ref well worst team to many just did you...
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He's clearly onside mate
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"He's clearly onside mate'"
If you say so but thats up for debate angles an all that if he flatvatvthe very best from behind he not flat level hence dont go to forward passes..2 things that aint up for debate is hood been obstructed by the referee which created a try for wigan and also the score line thats deffo no debate
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| Quote ="Egg Chasing"He's clearly onside mate'"
You are correct Marshall is definitely onside... However your No. 10 is miles off and is clearly within the 10 when Jowitt tries to catch the kick. No try
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"You are correct Marshall is definitely onside... However your No. 10 is miles off and is clearly within the 10 when Jowitt tries to catch the kick. No try'"
No, Byrne is onside although I do see a puff of blue smoke coming from behind the grassy noll.
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| Quote ="Simba16"No, Byrne is onside although I do see a puff of blue smoke coming from behind the grassy noll.'"
Me neither but i do see 27 26 in my fish n chip paper
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| Quote ="Luppylad"
Mate, it wasn’t a penalty in the memory of man but, there is no use crying over spilled milk.
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| Quote ="Luppylad"If you say so but thats up for debate angles an all that if he flatvatvthe very best from behind he not flat level hence dont go to forward passes..2 things that aint up for debate is hood been obstructed by the referee which created a try for wigan and also the score line thats deffo no debate
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Correct, you beat us which is why you making up all of these poor decisions you were supposedly hard done by all the more strange. Just enjoy the win.
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| Quote ="Luppylad"Me neither but i do see 27 26 in my fish n chip paper'"
Correct. You won. Woohoo. Well done. Good luck in your challenge cup semi final and end of season play off games.... Oh wait......
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| Quote ="Pie_Eyter"Correct. You won. Woohoo. Well done. Good luck in your challenge cup semi final and end of season play off games.... Oh wait......'"
It is very strange coming on here giving it the big one when they’re in the position they are in. Least most of the other Wakefield fans know there’s still work to do and aren’t getting billy big just yet after their first piece of silverware (beating Wigan) Wakefield are always in the bottom table scrap and always done enough to scrape through, that’s the mentality of the club top to bottom scrape through. This year is a big worry however as the Championship side doesn’t share the same mentality, just their more successful neighbours.
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| Quote ="Luppylad"You can see marshall foot in front of kicker which is by letter of the law offside also look at french trey look how your star player griffiths obstructs liam hood when he comes away from the scrum and hood is the last player to touch french had that been an official wigan player no try,typical of fans like you oh the mighty wigan lost cos of ref well worst team to many just did you...
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absolutely unbelievable-you have just had a great win and now you have the audacity to go on your opponents forum to challenge and look for a no try to rub the salt in the wound.
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behind the ball not the kicker....learn the rules you plumb
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| Quote ="Luppylad"Me neither but i do see 27 26 in my fish n chip paper'"
Now you've gone and ruined fish n chips for me
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| Just watching it back, can someone tell me why Miski’s try wasn’t given on 15:15?
Clear knock on by Langi then immediately grounded by Miski
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| Having just the watched the match here are a couple thoughts.
Firstly, in light of a couple posts from Wakey fans, I need to address the reffing. If you want the very definition of "refereeing inconsistency" check out Wakefield's first kick of the game and the one that was penalised at the end. There is absolutely no difference yet one was given as a penalty. Neither was a penalty. Secondly, the last "knock on" that turned possession over was a disgraceful decision. In the end, credit to Wakefield for hanging in there when the game was "gone" but, ultimately, the game was gifted to them by two utterly ridiculous refereeing decisions.
On to Wigan.
There's nothing wrong with Cust per se, but unfortunately he adds nothing extra. Using a bench spot just to give O'Neil a 10 minute breather, especially for a team light on props, is tantamount to recklessness. Peet needs to be ruthless. I'm sure Cade is a great guy but enough already! Play the extra forward that we actually need. If O'Neill needs a break, slot Shorrocks in at dummy half for 10 minutes. An extra forward is FAR more useful to us than a "more of the same" interchange hooker for a few minutes a match.
Field MUST play 6. We abandoned that far too early. If he doesn't trust him defending in the line switch him and French around when defending. Bevan is far more effective at 1. Jai is far more effective than Bevan attacking in the line. For God's sake use the tools at our disposal to their best advantage. The "conundrum" is only that if we make it one, which is exactly what we're doing at the moment.
Mago was fine. The performance he put in at Wakefield would have been exactly what we need from a bench prop. Unfortunately, minus Cooper, Havard and Ellis, we're lacking too much firepower before he comes on. There isn't a simple answer but playing an extra forward would certainly help.
Nsemba has to play. He was the best back rower on the pitch. Again. I understand he and Hill are young but players will be back soon. Rest them then. Right now we need them on the pitch.
Congrats to Wakefield. The win could revitalise them for the back end of the season but I can't help feeling that was one that got away.
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| waykee fans think its only there team that the refs are against - should be in championship outa way
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"Having just the watched the match here are a couple thoughts.
Firstly, in light of a couple posts from Wakey fans, I need to address the reffing. If you want the very definition of "refereeing inconsistency" check out Wakefield's first kick of the game and the one that was penalised at the end. There is absolutely no difference yet one was given as a penalty. Neither was a penalty. Secondly, the last "knock on" that turned possession over was a disgraceful decision. In the end, credit to Wakefield for hanging in there when the game was "gone" but, ultimately, the game was gifted to them by two utterly ridiculous refereeing decisions.
On to Wigan.
There's nothing wrong with Cust per se, but unfortunately he adds nothing extra. Using a bench spot just to give O'Neil a 10 minute breather, especially for a team light on props, is tantamount to recklessness. Peet needs to be ruthless. I'm sure Cade is a great guy but enough already! Play the extra forward that we actually need. If O'Neill needs a break, slot Shorrocks in at dummy half for 10 minutes. An extra forward is FAR more useful to us than a "more of the same" interchange hooker for a few minutes a match.
Field MUST play 6. We abandoned that far too early. If he doesn't trust him defending in the line switch him and French around when defending. Bevan is far more effective at 1. Jai is far more effective than Bevan attacking in the line. For God's sake use the tools at our disposal to their best advantage. The "conundrum" is only that if we make it one, which is exactly what we're doing at the moment.
Mago was fine. The performance he put in at Wakefield would have been exactly what we need from a bench prop. Unfortunately, minus Cooper, Havard and Ellis, we're lacking too much firepower before he comes on. There isn't a simple answer but playing an extra forward would certainly help.
Nsemba has to play. He was the best back rower on the pitch. Again. I understand he and Hill are young but players will be back soon. Rest them then. Right now we need them on the pitch.
Congrats to Wakefield. The win could revitalise them for the back end of the season but I can't help feeling that was one that got away.'"
Agree with all that Phuzzy, Shorrocks for me needs to be in the team somewhere so with Isa, KPP back soon along with Nsemba’s form he should replace Cust on the bench.
Shorrocks isn’t great at hooker but like you say for 10/15 minutes he’ll be fine and solid defensively. Can cover loose/backrow/halfback too.
Agree on Field at 6, French at 1 (at least when we have the ball) needs to be given a longer chance.
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| Cust is adding next to nothing in his spells. Maybe it’s not his fault, as 10-15 minutes isn’t very long to make an impact but we’ve also conceded points in some of his spells (in in games where we’ve conceded far less than we did at Wakey). That last bench spot being taken by Shorrocks as a utility is definitely the way to go IMO. He may as well give O’Neill the breather and that will at least keep us solid around the middle.
I put on the other forum that I thought we were far too quick to dump Field from 6 but changing it a week out from a cup semi would be brave. I’m not sure I’d change it now. I put Fridays loss all on the teams lack of concentration and the props getting bullied. I actually thought French took a step forward at 6, in that he seemed more prepared to take the line on.
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| Cust is a half.
He needs to play half for full games or not be in the 17 unless we are desperate for cover at 9.
He offers nothing from the bench.
Despite them playing different positions it’s a choice between Cust and Miski who is in the 17.
With Miski playing so well he is virtually impossible to drop, but the knock on issue is whilst French is a great attacking individual the team is suffering because of a lack of direction in the halves, French also is a great threat on the wing individually however his weakness is carrying the ball early in sets, which is a key attribute of our play.
Like others I would like to see Field at 6 and French at 1, as I do not believe French is a half, Field I think is more suited to that role. I understand the desire to see them swap in defence but personally I don’t like that idea as I feel it’s somewhat pandering to a defensive fragility that Field needs to address.
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| I think we would all prefer to see Bevan at 1, but Peet has said many times that he prefers Field at 1 and I think given what happened at Magic he won't move from that now. Real shame as that Leigh performance looked like the start of something special until the injury.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"Having just the watched the match here are a couple thoughts.
Firstly, in light of a couple posts from Wakey fans, I need to address the reffing. If you want the very definition of "refereeing inconsistency" check out Wakefield's first kick of the game and the one that was penalised at the end. There is absolutely no difference yet one was given as a penalty. Neither was a penalty. Secondly, the last "knock on" that turned possession over was a disgraceful decision. In the end, credit to Wakefield for hanging in there when the game was "gone" but, ultimately, the game was gifted to them by two utterly ridiculous refereeing decisions.
On to Wigan.
There's nothing wrong with Cust per se, but unfortunately he adds nothing extra. Using a bench spot just to give O'Neil a 10 minute breather, especially for a team light on props, is tantamount to recklessness. Peet needs to be ruthless. I'm sure Cade is a great guy but enough already! Play the extra forward that we actually need. If O'Neill needs a break, slot Shorrocks in at dummy half for 10 minutes. An extra forward is FAR more useful to us than a "more of the same" interchange hooker for a few minutes a match.
Field MUST play 6. We abandoned that far too early. If he doesn't trust him defending in the line switch him and French around when defending. Bevan is far more effective at 1. Jai is far more effective than Bevan attacking in the line. For God's sake use the tools at our disposal to their best advantage. The "conundrum" is only that if we make it one, which is exactly what we're doing at the moment.
Mago was fine. The performance he put in at Wakefield would have been exactly what we need from a bench prop. Unfortunately, minus Cooper, Havard and Ellis, we're lacking too much firepower before he comes on. There isn't a simple answer but playing an extra forward would certainly help.
Nsemba has to play. He was the best back rower on the pitch. Again. I understand he and Hill are young but players will be back soon. Rest them then. Right now we need them on the pitch.
Congrats to Wakefield. The win could revitalise them for the back end of the season but I can't help feeling that was one that got away.'" So you managed to watch all the game and didn't see any dubious decisions in Wigan's favour? Well done!
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"So you managed to watch all the game and didn't see any dubious decisions in Wigan's favour? Well done!
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I get that Wakey fans seem to like changing the facts to suit a given narrative, but where exactly did I say they were the only 2 dubious decisions? I would very much appreciate the quote. Cheers in advance.
For the record I saw loads more dubious decisions both ways. My post was referring specifically to the 2 at the end that changed the result particularly with reference to refereeing inconsistency and with regards to previous Wakefield fans seeming to think they were hard done to. Do keep up.
If you want to discuss the most bizarre decision of the entire game let's chat about the ref giving Lineham 3...not 1, not 2 but 3!!... attempts to get a play the ball right rather than penalising him for an incorrect play the ball. Care to explain as your so keen to engage in the discussion?
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Cust is adding next to nothing in his spells. Maybe it’s not his fault, as 10-15 minutes isn’t very long to make an impact but we’ve also conceded points in some of his spells (in in games where we’ve conceded far less than we did at Wakey). That last bench spot being taken by Shorrocks as a utility is definitely the way to go IMO. He may as well give O’Neill the breather and that will at least keep us solid around the middle.
I put on the other forum that I thought we were far too quick to dump Field from 6 but changing it a week out from a cup semi would be brave. I’m not sure I’d change it now. I put Fridays loss all on the teams lack of concentration and the props getting bullied. I actually thought French took a step forward at 6, in that he seemed more prepared to take the line on.'"
The alternative view would be 'is it brave or stupid to stick with something that clearly isn't working'? I get where you're coming from but we clearly worked on Field at 6 prior to Leigh so it's not like a completely new scenario. I agree we dumped it too quickly. I'd have preferred we worked on addressing the defensive issues. Field is not a bad defender. He's just not suited to defending in the line where upper body strength is a prerequisite. I disagree with Jonh in that I don't see the problem in switching roles. Accepting there's a problem and dealing with it is preferable to pretending there isn't one or alternatively changing everything just to deal with an easily remedied weakness.
Tbh, I actually think making the switch would be a positive rather than a negative anyway, regardless of it solving a problem as it would be utilising the best aspects of both players and would open up further variations in the switch play in attack.
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