So who in your opinion is responsible for managing the ego's in the dressing room? Who is responsible for team selection, who has a major say in recruitment, who should be held accountable for this?

All issues you raise, and i await your reply with interest.

Regards Hanley i think he is the man as he will instantly command respect from the dressing room, something i do not think Noble or Millward prior to that ever did.

As i said above i await your response to the points raised with interest rather than slating me and not adding anything to the discussion, can you manage that?



The bit in bold shows what little clue you have if you think one of the greatest players the game has seen "talks a good game".

Jonh,
My concerns have been well documented re the Timmy Tommy partnership.
I have always thought that they were similar players and if they were going to play together than we would need big, strong, fast players outside them.

Smith was superb last night, his choice of pass ans kick was exquisite. A fit Karl Pryce (Keith Senior, Gary Connolly, Paul Newlove, Inga) type would have had a field day.

The solution maybe to play Sam at 6 , and Tommy at 9 with Riddell.
But where does that leave McIlorum?

Loan?

i am sorry old wise one i thought we were on about from a coaching aspect???, not a playing one???..as for adding anything to the discussion regarding yet again your favorite person Mr noble!!..i feel that there is no point as regards to what i or anyone else says about him as we are not the ones who's programme he didnt sign....you are clearly the one with the issue!!!..as for the ego issue. your answer is to appoint a man who had one of the biggest ego's in rugbyleague in his time to take control of a dressing room full of ego's????





...good night son!

On loan/fighting for a spot or at another club. In theory form would dictate, but if it does is another matter.

Tbf he had a right to have an ego one of the best players i've ever watched

If our players showed up week in week out no one would have a problem

form a playing point of view, he was the best!!

Shock horror, unable to answer the question.



Who better to appoint than someone with a bigger ego than the lot of them? A dominant figure stamps out ego issues. They come in and take control.

You raised issues that need to be delt with by the coach, and then try to deflect away from your own points that you raised.

I await an answer to who you think should deal with the ego's in the dressing room, who picks the team and who plays a major part in the recruitment of the club? All issues you raise.




I think it is good you are going to bed so you cannot talk yourself into another corner. If you have the nouce to be able to answer the questions raised i look forward to continuing the discussion, i do not think you will though as you cannot.

Night night. The membership badge is in the post by the way.

I have thought for a while now Jonh you are a fool now you have just confirmed it

Fair play to you, you are of course entitled to your opinion, may i ask why you think i have confirmed it with this post?

Jonh, on Friday will you

Sit with home fans and reluctantly cheer on Castleford
Sit with away fans and cheer on Castleford
Sit with home fans and boo the Wigan team at every opportunity
Sit with home fans and cheer on Wigan despite this thread
Not attend the game at all

Friday i will not be attending the game.

To answer the rest of your post i do not really cheer, i applaud good play from both sides, whoever is playing, and i certainly do not boo.

What this has to do with anything i do not know.

You think you know better then the Wigan club and the most successful British coach in super league. If you were any good at coaching a team you would have one of the top jobs in Super League.

When you make a post like this your morals will get questioned. Deep-down I knew you won't be attending though.

So do you agree with everything that has ever happened in pro rugby?

Do you agree with everything Brian Noble has done at his time in Wigan?

Why are my morals in question because i will not be attending on Friday? If i sacrificed my family and work comittments for a rugby match then surely there would be more need to question my morals.

If you have an issue with my stance take it up with reasoned debate and valid debate rather than simply trying to have a pop by attempting to slate me personally.

Will i be watching the game in full on DVD over the weekend that follows the fixture. Yes.

I dont agree with everything that has happed but i do not have control of the RFL their are people put in positions to make decisions and we must all abide by them winging on here will make no difference to the RFL.

As for Nobby well he has made mistakes we all do but he is paid to do a job and he has not done to badly over that last 3 years saved us from relegation and got us to within 80 mins of Old Trafford for the last 2 years thats not that bad is it. We have played 2 games in 2009 its a long season see where we end up at the end of it.

If you think you can do a better job then take up a coaching job within the prop game and see how well you can do.

I know you don't like Nobbys methods but he is the man in charge and until such time your as successful don't knock him back him and the club.

Not good enough.

Dave

So you do disagree with some of the decisions made by the pro's yet criticise me for doing the same? Interesting.

If you are happy with the last 2 years fair play, i am not people have different standards and opinions.

Did you back Millward until he was replaced?

And? Getting a shot at a final because the rules are as they are shows us to be a good side does it? The answer is no it doesn't.

Are you seriously clinging onto the fact we have a play off system that means you can be a poor side and still get in them means.... well what does it mean? I am blow'ed if I know.



Your Saints point doesn't prove anything. Are you seriously telling me you can't see the difference between that Saints side and us?



The team is playing the most boring one dimensional rugby I have ever seen a Wigan side play. It did similar in 2007, it did it in 2008 and it has started 2009 the same way. The buck stops with the coach for this. Other teams have new players and Wakefield had half a team missing. We didn't. Ours may have new players but Noble could not get a virtually first choice side up to beat an injury ravaged side who had never played one game together as a team. How on earth does a new 6, 7 and 9 compare to what Wakefield put out? It doesn't.

Dave

not everybody can get to games, but when they do I cheer my home team, I want them to win, I never boo my side if thy play bad, I can enjoy a game we lose seeing better rugby played than us and appreciate that we have to step another level, you think that I'm not competitive

I have seen some people relate the position of Noble to that of Alex Furguson at Man United in the 80's. Regards the ego issue, what did he do whenever and ego in his changing room looked to upset the balance of the team, see Paul Ince. Regardless of how good he was he got rid.

When ego's looked to start getting in the way he took action, see Beckam, Giggs, Scholes and Sharpe.

Our coach seems happy to throw out the excuse to the press players have ego's and agendas, but unable to, or unwilling to do anything about it.

Why is this the case?

the question is has he got a hairdryer, and bet he hasn't,
in my case with our club would I expect us to to sack John Kear if we have had the same start , no because we don't have the money and he has been the best coach we have had so would be foolish to, as your club are always looking further up the league than us I can understand the disappointment to the start but are you panicking as what coach is available bar for hanley, makes me wonder why he left donny last year

We play a boring style of rugby but it can be very effective too. I'm a bit happier with Noble after the Hull game to be honest. We played a lot better than we did v Wakefield and the game could have gone either way. We just didn't finish off our opportunities, but I'm confident that we will start doing once the season kicks in. I'm waiting a couple of games before I nail my colours to the mast on this issue, if we get turned over by Cas and Harlequins Noble should probably update his C.V

I agree. Quite a few mistakes in attacking positions which gave us the ball back !!

No doubt you will strengthen as the season progresses.Too early to begin worrying !