You really aren't getting this are you......

Regardless of what your opinion is of him is the facts are;

-He’s a proven try scorer. Or has he turned into a bad player in two months?
-He’s on a four year deal at Wigan and he ain’t going anywhere mate so talk of a new FB and who is our best winger is worthless and a waste of time

Like I and others have said before it’s fine producing fancy lists saying ‘lets be realistic’ Hansen, O’Carroll etc are over rated and we need this position filling and this player should be let go cause it’s not going to happen. WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE PLAYERS WE’VE GOT. The players we’ve got are better than they are currently playing and for some reason seem to be going backwards instead of forwards and it can only be due to Noble methods.

No you're not getting it.

You sit on past performances and thats it.

I suppose Fielden is still the world's best prop.

Wing is very dependant on the centre. Offiah, Robinson, Dallas, they'd all look utterly pointless playing on the outside of Phil Bailey.

For the perfect example in reverse, just look at chuffing Gardner at Saints, playing on the outside of Gidley he scores plenty.

Hell, forgetting which hand they write with for a sec, if you put Ainscough outside Bailey he'd not have done a great deal so far either.

Absolutely correct.

Gidley assisted 21 of Gardners 27 tries last season.

Not wishful thinking, his try scoring record proves outside decent centres he scores tries for fun.

2000–2003 St. George Illawarra Played-65 Tries-29
2004 Penrith Panthers P23 T23
2005–2008 Sydney Roosters P91 T54

Following your train of thought, Richards would have been fired off early doors.

Lol perfect reply.

Is he a world class prop? No far from it

Is he better than what he currently is tho? Yes

Has he got a season and a half left? Yes

I don’t see many offers coming in for people to take him off our hands do you? So what do we do then? What is it you suggest? We can all sit around moaning about him or we can work on him in training and make him better and we can also put better players around him by replacing players who are off contract like Coley.

Roberts has four seasons left so instead of looking for the impossible option of getting rid of him as it’s NOT GOING TO HAPPEN we have to bring in the right players round him to help him do his job i.e Gleeson.

Talking about getting rid of Hansen, Fielden, Roberts etc is futile as they are hear to stay we have to change the things we can change no live in a fairy tale RL land with no SC!

why are people talkig of getting rid of Hansen (last seaons top tackler in SL)? is it his turn to be picked on this week?

Simply because they are STUPID!

Mark calderwood?

so where is this nailed on signing?!?!

Because he is overrated and clueless in attack, blah blah blah

As opposed to future ones?

for once, we agree!

I can see this Gleeson thing fizzling out. Waited the majority of the week for it, nothing. Doubt it's going to happen.

No its definitely happening, have you not read all this thread

It's the same with O’Carroll were he is being cast off cause he's ‘only a good SL player'. Some fans believe we can have a team full of superstars and don't realise the benefits having a good player on a cheap wage like O'Carroll will offer.

Hargreaves & Bailey anyone? Solid if yet unspectacular players who do a job on a low wedge for championship chasing teams.

The sooner we fill our squad with players like this rather than the Bailey’s & Coley’s of this world who are on far more penny’s the sooner we won’t be outbid when quality players come along.

I’m more than happy to have O’Carroll as our fourth choice prop behind more established and better players.

I think its say to say this Gleeson rumour was aload of old b0ll0x

There has definately substance/talk.

Whether it comes off is another story.

When has it all got to sighed sealed and delivered for 5pm tomorrow if he is to play on Sunday or by Tuesday of next week if he is to play against Saints.

Everything has to be inplace before I.L. will announce it he is not Mo or it would have been announced already. our Thursday Press conference will only just have started wont it so still could be today. But i still think there are one or tow loose ends that need sorting first.

I think there's definitely some truth in it, but it may not come off.

There's a few people adamant that it's happened though.

no its true, Eddie said so on B an All,

Its not 'bollox'.

Gleeson is still set to sign for Wigan, my understanding which hasn't changed from a few days ago is that he is to sign for 2010.

I assume that Warrington are simply open to discussing an earlier move as they would get some players/money out of the deal. In addition, Gleeson wants out so obviously they're not keen on having an unhappy player on their books.

And also we have a winger (currently in the reserves) called LEE Penny.....

It was deffo monday,then it was deffo tuesday,then reliable sources said deffo wednesday



I think we all see a pattern happening here

its DEFFO Friday!