From what I've heard he's not alone, but it isn't contained to Wigan either.

Sad thing is I wouldn't be surprised.

What a sad day for WRLFC.

There have been cases of this being used as an excuse, but it rarely works (Ian Sibbit being the latest exception, overusing the drug Salbutamo found in asthma inhalers).

Jaap Stam tried it on when he was tested positive for Nandrolone a few years back, stating that traces of it were found in a 'Vicks' style vapour stick he was using to help nasal congestion!

it is if we dont sack him.

On a given Sat night in Wigan there are about 65% using it.

We're in the minority. It's become comment place, players, like everyone else don't seem to see it as such a big deal.

This isn't my take on it, but we have to be realistic.

What has the players talent got to do with this?

And why do you want more players to do it?

I'm not getting carried away, merely asking a question.

Is it beyond Sport England and the RFL to do a shake down of every SL player if there are rumours flying around? I'm guessing the resources required and potential fall out would be too great? I know it's potentially tarring everyone with the same brush, but it'd sure send out a message. Drugs and professional sport don't mix.

If so many people are aware of numerous player behaving like this, why don't they just test every player in SL catch the lot of them?

It's looking like he'll quite rightly get the book thrown at him, any other players who have behaved in the same way will be cacking it now, but will probably be looking at ways of masking it as mentioned, and then once it's all blown over in a couple of months they'll be back to there old tricks.

Thats what they have the drug testing for.

It's rife within the game mate.

Do you ever talk about anything other than the team for next year?



One of the worst days for Wigan RL in the last few seasons and your on about how we can spend his money!

Gareth Hock is thick!

Get real. They have drug tests, the players make sure they are clean for when the tests come round. Thats how it works.

And the fact that, as far as I'm aware from my 10 minutes of searches, you cannot purchase Esterom in Uk stores, as it is currently only available in America?

He was a great talent, but he's been stupid and has thrown that all away.
I don't think that he should be allowed to play again.

The Titanic has just left Southampton.

mine gets taken off and yet stuff like this, which is more or less saying the same thing is ok?

All I said is that I'm sure Wigan RL isn't the only club in both cosdes where things like this go on.

Better than all the doom and gloom. Why not focus on the positives? Sorry if i'm not feeling self pity.

I look to the future.

I meant within a period of a few days - go to every clubs training ground unannounced and do a job lot. The current testing system is random i.e. pick a few players each week spread over the league.

That, my friend, is not news

Stop talking drivel.

The problem was what you quoted.

<REMOVED> Libellous

2 year ban coming up as its WADSA that govern drugs bans so wouldnt think he will get more but dont think he should ever pull on a cherry and white shirt again IF found guilty.