Are you denying that we have a problem in the south stand with certain young trouble, causing idiots who sit at the top and middle?

I don't know why you've taken it so personal. Like you, I sit at the top of the south stand too like many others who use these forums and simply had enough of seeing stewards running up the steps to kick out chavs for fighting, drinking, smoking etc. Not only that, the behaviour from the same people has been repeated and highlighted at away games too...Do you really want to see them dragging the reputation of our supporters through the mud?

So rather than swap stands (like I have done before) I'd rather highlight it, make people aware of it and tackle it. Maybe you can put up with it but myself and the majority of others won't. The vast majority of people in the South Stand are good, loyal and probably the most vocal supporters within club but there is a small clutch of supporters who are spoiling it for the rest.

Id love to hear a club response on this and what they are going to do to tackle the South Stand problem

The chavs are flooding back now we are playing well. They are not too bad when they are focusing on the game and they can make plenty noise but the behaviour which ABP highlights must be stopped. We have a great set of fans and we are getting some fantastic crowds and away followings but nobody wants to see viloent or threatening behaviour, in and outside the ground.

We don't want this turning into something like ES2 at latics games.

On a plus point, the atmosphere is terrible at home games so fairplay to them for trying to create an atmosphere but they are not welcome when causing trouble.

Returning to the original topic of the last post and the minutes silence, its true they probably didn't hear the announcement, I can't really blame them for that. What I can blame them for is afterwards they continued to laughed and clap and make noises. I know alot of people who know people in the forces (including myself) who were pretty annoyed.

I'll hold my hand up and say my comments in regards to the section of the East stand was probably OTT, and anyone who did clap immediately after maybe didn't hear or were not paying attention.

However, the laughter and shouting that followed the clapping from the section of the south stand was shocking.

What's your screen name on Cockney Liar?

No I dont see a problem with the south stand at all, the stewrds have thrown the occasional person out, yes - but that is to be expected. They are not coninually running up and down the stairs. We as supporters are all ready videoed on cctv from the moment we sit down, so any trouble can be icolated as soon as it starts. Yes thet are loud and rowdy at the back of the south stand and im glad. If it wasnt for them sometimes drumming up the chants, im sure we'd go for whole matches in silence. They put time into getting new songs going. Last match was hillarious with oloughlins song/amos song. Im glad there there - and no i dont see a problem, let alone deny it.

people are using this mix up in communication to just have a go.


Oh and by the way, For a thread to be titled "How thick/ignorant are some wiganers?" I Find it quite hillarious the number of posters who clearly have no idea what Chav stands for.
Just for the record Council House and Violent! How does that fit any of the groups you are running down, on this thread - it doesnt. In my opion alot of you lot look like the ignorant ones.

spot on mate....it only takes 1 person to not understand that the minutes silence isnt why the last posts being played, and we get a ripple effect.

in fairness a lot of people stand in silence why the last posts being played........so they confuse it.

the last post is NOT the minutes silence.......so what would the reaction be if fans/chavs started shouting during the last post??????
nobody tell you to be silent during that do they?? so what if a section decided to sing a song to the tune of the last post why it was being played? nobody can object to that , because nobody has asked for silence.

if they are going to insist on keep doing this then apart from the posters idea whom i have quoted....what about combining the 2 and have the silencve whilst the last post is being played.
tbh after a guy has stood in front of a large crowd playing it , i think he deserves a round of applause.
so i think a rethink is in order over this issue.

and to be fair, there are a large number of people in this country who think our lads shouldnt be there in the first place...so we shouldnt need to do things like this.

Would be a good question to ask at the next fans forum

Racist chanting, laughing at a serious tribute to our troops and constant swearing and drunken behaviour in a family stand is ok is it? Or is that what you call banter? You calling people on here the ignorant ones is frankly laughable.

Fair enough, what you find acceptable is different to what others find acceptable. Frankly, people being thrown in my opinion is not acceptable in the slightest and shouldn't ''be expected''.

The South Stand is recognized for being loud and vocal. Infact myself and many others have been involved with adding the flags to the stand to try and create more atmosphere. However, some of the behaviour by idiots who happen to be within the top, middle section of the South Stand should not be tollerated and it needs to be stopped. Nobody is saying that everybody in that section are chavs/idiots but if you or someone you know is in that section then tough, trouble happens there hence why many people collectively call that group ''chavs'' and they will ramain to be branded ''chavs'' so long trouble continues in that section. It's the duty for people within that group to salvage their reputation by weeding out the idiots or simply don't sit near them.

Simple as that.

I really don't understand what your argument is? It isn't this forum that has labelled & pin-pointed that section, it's Wigan supporters in general as it's a clear, obvious and well documented problem area.

Racist chanting, laughing at a serious tribute to our troops and constant swearing and drunken behaviour in a family stand is ok is it?

what? do we go to the same matches? racist chanting.. i can only presume you are referring to st helens chants. If so we clearly have a different perspective.

As for drunken behaviour, beer/alchol is sold in the ground. Ive seen people drunk, but over the years of attending, but on average more adults, than from the group you are referring to.

Yes I think the running of these events should be brought up in the fans forum.

So you havent heard Watene chants in there this season?

What regiment were those troops marching along the touchline in front of the Boston Stand before the game?

A guy at the side of me said that they had just got back from Helmand but some of em’ only looked 12 and couldn’t march in line. Tell me that’s not what we are pitching up against the Taleban these days?

You don't even know what you're talking about half of the time.



And BTW, droning "Barmy Army" out for 20 minutes doesn't count as singing, or chanting, or trying to improve the atmosphere in any way, shape or form. It does the complete opposite. Though the idiots that start it and carry it on wouldn't realise that.

They are Cadets which is ages 12-18. The guy at the side of you is a muppet.

I think you are only trying to defend the people at the back of the south stand because that might be where you sit with your mates and you feel these comments are being aimed at you. Now I don't for one second think you are a violent person or anyone to cause trouble but you must agree that there is a slight problem with some of the behaviour?

Oh really, well thats good we've got that cleared up then. Any future chants to be passed through the 'whats ok' comittee. Cause whilst not my cup of tea, barmy army is fine by me, as kevin iro - or any other chants.

My motivation for defending is more along the lines that i really dont see the problem. The mess over minutes silence was really just down to people getting it mixed up over communication. The young people at the back have been respectful over every other minutes silence i can recall.
I have said previously we used to sit in the west stand, and have seen this same attitude over having a blow horn (sold officially once before aints derby). We where told to not bring it, then aiving our flags was aproblem. Unless you sit still and just watch the game its a problem. A guy used to boo when opposite side took a kick,..he was told to shut up. One fella got a letter sent to his house..some kind of official warning. I for one dont want that attitude any where near the south stand, for the past 5 years have enjoyed the attude of tolerance in the south stand.
My attitude its a rugby match, watched by 18,000 people. There are many different sorts of folk there, and without the barmy army crew - the match would be overall a much duller expierience..in my opinion

www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... 2&o=643481 Quote I've just had a long phone conversation with Mick Hogan about this problem. In a nutshell, the club is aware of the problem, and things are being done - there is a permanent CCTV camera focused on the area (and others elsewhere of course), and on Friday some people were refused admission and some were ejected, but they can only act on specific information or observation, so again I urge people to contact the club if they can identify specific troublemakers.'" Good work Geoff.

www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... 2&o=643481 Quote I've just had a long phone conversation with Mick Hogan about this problem. In a nutshell, the club is aware of the problem, and things are being done - there is a permanent CCTV camera focused on the area (and others elsewhere of course), and on Friday some people were refused admission and some were ejected, but they can only act on specific information or observation, so again I urge people to contact the club if they can identify specific troublemakers.'" Good work Geoff.

On the original subject, I must admit to being extremely annoyed that people were clapping/laughing/shouting over the minute's silence.

However, rather than having to give separate instructions for each step, how about just reversing the order?

i.e. Hold the minutes silence, with the bugler starting the last post after the minute is up (the ref gives him a silent signal to start, instead of blowing his whistle).

On the other stuff, I'm glad that the club is rooting out the idiots. Hopefully they'll ban them for more than a couple of matches.

However, I also sit in the South Stand (although further down) with my daughter and several friends.

I have *never* heard any racist chanting (don't even know what "the Watene chant" is), and never had any problem with the kids at the back, other than being privately annoyed about the drunken scrotes that are clearly too young to be allowed near alcohol.

Well done that man.

fans.

He's very keen on an element of self-policing (we were talking about the "old days" at CP, when they'd have got a "clip round t'earhole"!) to complement the clubs efforts. To some extent, it's a question of where to draw the line - we want to keep the atmosphere, but stop it getting so unpleasant that it puts people off. (having said that, we did agree that perhaps people who object to the noise might be better off in another stand...).

So..those of you who are normally in that area, please help the club out, either by having words with the offenders or passing on information/descriptions to the club.

Incidentally, on a similar subject, the guy from the Saints game who punched the steward has apparently been identified, and things are happening on that front.

Never heard racist chanting or the Watene one. One or two idiots blurting out something offensive at a game does not constitute a chant. There has been more damage done by folk stirring up that non-event than the moron who might have actually said it could ever wish to have done.

Underlined pretty much as I said earlier in the thread. As for the rest....oh for the days when you could clip someone round the ear!

think i am going to be moving to the side of the south for the next home game although i enjoy the singing and "chanting" i dont not want to be branded as a chav. there are some genuine supporters back there but seem to bring along 'friends' who couldnt give one about the game and seems to cause the bother. like at bradford away this season, havent seen that group of 'fans' recently, maybe the club have banned these?