You knew what you were doing.
To answer your question though i think he needs a good solid scrum half who can do all the basics well and let sam come up with the more off the cuff stuff.

No wonder we're the joke of RLFans ???

We aren't the ones who've just been caught out having a crafty pop, and have then scuttled to deny it by trying to pretend we were actually doing something more worthy.

At least have the guts to admit what you're up to.

Personally am very confident that Tomkins will turn out to be just as good if not better than Myler in a couple of years.

As for your question I actually think he needs the exact opposite of what you suggest. Tomkins is the 'runner' - what he needs is an organiser and a playmaker to compliment.

You call sensible saying Tomkins is no Myler!!!

Myler is THE most overrated player in SL since Kevin Brown. Put Sam or Eastmond in the Salford team and they’d be far further up the table than they are now. Same goes for England if either Sam or Eastmond played against against the French part timers they would have scored even more.

How did I have a crafty pop? Just stating fact.

Spot on.

He needs an organiser at the side of him so he can concentrate on doing what he does best and at this moment in time thats running and just playing abit of 'off the cuff' rugby.

I think long term he'll become a similar style of player to Sean Long and will have a runner at the side of him but he doesn't need those pressure of organising at the moment.

A player like Orford would go well alongside him imo.

Definite WUM. I'm sorry, I tend to take the opinion of RL experts rather than somebody on a message board, Myler is without doubt the hottest property on the market, Tomkins may well turn out to be a better player, but at the moment Myler is a class above.

That's where it's going to workout well with Briers and Myler. I agree that somebody in that vein would be ideal for Tomkins.

No you didn't, you stated an opinion. And I doubt you've seen enough of Tomkins, or even Myler, to have an informed opinion.

I've only seen Tomkins have one good game, seen Myler have plenty.

In which case you've hardly seen Sam play at all, or you're telling big porky pies. I suspect the latter, because for some reason - don't know what it could be (Wire?) - I don't believe you've seen much of Myler either.

Conversation ends - because that's all your silly bit of trolling was worth.

I've seen quite alot of Myler, Brother lives in Sale so attend the odd game, and Salford were very prominent on SKY's National league coverage last year, the games Tomkins has been on SKY this year must be 5 or 6, he's looked average, with the exception of the HKR when he was a cut above, just because somebody says something you don't agree with doesn't mean he is trolling...grow up.

You've got the old rod out and baited the hook there



Tomkins has played this season if fits and starts, coming off the bench in the majority of his games and missing out all together in others. He's done some superb things in the vast majority of his games but it's hard to say he's strung fantastic preformence after fantastic preformence together because he's not playing the full 80. He's doing his stuff in small flashes.

On the other hand Myler is getting 80 minutes under his belt every week and is 'THE' bg fish in a small pond at Salford, with a licence to try things and play his own game. He's been very good aswell and it is easier to judge him overall because he plays full games and lots of them.

Overall i wouldn't honestly say theres that much between them. Myler has been playing first team rugby 12months longer then Sam and maybe that shows at times but Sam is doing an unbelievable job for a guy in his debut season.

One thing he has over Myler without doubt is the fact that he can defend very well. That does seem a problem for Myler.

Surely as a Wire fan you saw him rip your team apart in the pre-season game at the HJ? Did he look avarage to you then too? Or are you just the usual part-time Wire fan who comes on here and spouts nonsense?

Bingo!

and thats where your arguement falls apart

Exactly. Imagine Sam playing against that standard of opposition.

i can see his point as Myler is a good player but to compare his performances in a lower league against Sam's in SL is misguided to say the least

Would you like to stop the cream fest untill he signs for you and before you start yes i do rate myler

Myler is a good player no doubts about it but my god he's over hyped.

I remember Danny Orr ripping SL up when he was at Cas and beating Saints on his own one night or to a lesser extent Moran running the show for the Broncos.

Although it sounds weird it’s easier to stand out in a poor team than it is in good team. Everything flows through Myler and he does well with that amount of ball but if you gave Tomkins that much ball he’d be creating just as much if not more. Again same goes for playing for England put Tomkins in that situation and he has the ability and confidence to take them up to another level.

You are probably right thay Myler has had more good games, afterall he is Salfords main man and has played pretty much every game. Tomkins has been dropped and played off the bench alot so I do agree there but only because Myler has had more chance to show what he is made of, it is silly to say one is better than the other IMO. To say that Tomkins has only had one good game is just stupid.

Considering Myler has played alot more Minutes this season it seems Sams stats show up very well to his for this season.

[urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=2501&hs2=2009&hp2=2221&stat=tries&season=2009[/url

And bearing in mind in total (including CC) Tomkins has started 9 and been off the bench for 6.

Myler (correct me if Im wrong) has started all the games hes played in this season.

Those stats certainly show up the peceived defensive frailties of Myler in comparison to Sam. Good player though Myler. Needs to work on that aspect of his game if he is going to fulfill his potential.

I take it you didn't attend the game? He was playing a bunch of kids.

Signed, sealed and delivered.