Nobby not got long left at Wigan then ??

Who can say? But his contract is due to expire at the end of this season.

Strange turn-around really. For the last two and a half years, Wigan fans have been subjected to Nobby's mind-games, wherein he's been constantly rumoured to have been looking for greener pastures at other clubs. I wonder how he feels now that it's the Wigan fans who are looking to make the switch?

Two things make a successful manager in any field:

Communication - he has to be able to communicate equally effectively to his players, to his Chairman, to press and to the supporters. Roy Keane showed that ignoring the people with the purse strings is ultimately futile, and Tony Adams lack of communication abilities probably cost him his chance of being a successful head coach.

Team building - A coach needs to be able to builld a strong team, not just on the pitch, but probably equally importantly off it. Clive Woodward did that with England, Gatland is doing it at Wales now (along with Edwards). Anderson was greatly helped at Saints by his staff, especially with the likes of Perelini who had huge respect from the players.

Excellent point there!

Another example would be Man Utd all the players that go there seem to improve no end after a season or two there. They are all forced to adopt high standards set by the senior players and if they don’t like it then they are soon out.

A good coach as you say creates the right environment for his players to progress and develop. Clive Woodward was an absolute master of it at England he brought in and surrounded himself with all the best coaches he could get his hands on, he got the team training at the best facilities and used the same base for all the England training camps. Add to that he was using what were advanced training techniques stolen from numerous other fields and you have a recipe for success.

I’ve said it before but I’d love an innovator like that to come to Wigan and maximise the unrivalled potential we have in the town. We’ve got a huge talented junior base, top facilities with Orrell and one of the premier reputations in the whole sport. We should at least me able to attract a better standard of fitness coaches than Forshaw shouldn’t we?

My top three would be:
Jack Gibson
Wayne Bennett
Vince Lombardi

Off the top of my head, I would say a good coach must be prepared, organised, an outstanding communicator at all levels, a motivator, an inspisration, a leader, a tactician, flexible, a good listener, a diplomat.

Which of those boxes does the Wheel Chair RL coach tick?

A good coach has to be have a bit of everything in there nal, they have to be a leader, a psychologist, sometimes a friend sometimes a foe, byt the key attributed for me that are crucial for any coach are:-

Knowledge-clearly you have to know your subject matter that you are coaching, the greater the knowledge then the more chance you have at being successfull. You have to constantly strive to improve your knowledge and apply it as trends evolve and the game changes. If you are standing still in any coaching discipline in real terms you are moving backwards.

Communication-You can be the most knowledgable person in the world but if you cannot communicate that knowledge at a the correct level to the people you are coaching you may as well not bother.

Man Management- It is crucial you know how to deal with the characters and eho's in the team, although a coach is in charge of a team a team is only the sum of its individual parts, you have to know what makes each individual tick, what kind of stimulus they respond to best, ie a kick up the aris or a softly softly approach, you have to treat each member of the team as an individual and identify key relationships they have that are of benefit to the group, and nurture them and erradicate any negative relationships. You also have to be a good judge of character and surround yourselves with quality individuals on and off the pitch to support you. You also have to be open to new ideas and exploring new options striving for personal growth rather than stagnating.

I do not doubt any Wigan coach including the current one do not tick all the boxes for knowledge, i do think that some of them lost there jobs because of the second 2.

Good coaches are those that have managed to be employed for a career length in whichever field they work. Alex Furgusson is a fantastic coach, Wayne Bennett Jack Gibson, Vern Gambetta, Wilf Paige etc.

A good coach is someone who knows who to employ on the coaching staff and lets them get on with doing their jobs, if you look at all top coaches in any sport they have a good team below them with the right people in the right jobs - not any of this employing friends/relations/favourite ex-players nonsense just for the sake of it.

A top coach know how to delegate and lead a team of professionals getting the best out of their squad of players. A top coach does not have to do all the day to day activities and can concentrate on the things that matter.

All the top names mentioned fall into this category.

Seem's Nobby now wants every club to sign 1 UNION player on 50K, is he trying to deflect the anger from the fans again

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The ability to achieve more than the sum of the parts, for example Ellery took Doncaster to promotion last season with a young, unheralded team which on a player by player basis was inferior to several others, including the Oldham team beaten in the decider.

Martin Crompton is doing a cracking job at Blackpool, building steadily from a seemingly hopeless position.

Mark Aston has done a consistently good job at Sheffield.

Martin Hall has always done a good job at various places.

In SL Brian McDermott is showing some potential.

jonh could have coached that team and that saying someting ,it coached its self

What about DaveO,hes a better coach than Jonh lol

Someone that dosnt lose the dressing room.

All of this, and to know the enemy like John Kear atm. You also need to know how to win as well as well as making the perfect team

A good coach ?.....well there's too many points to raise, but given our current situation I would say a coach that wouldn't (if he were at all able to) field 6 props in the scrum and 7 second rowers......everywhere else

One who didn't think that 16 stones in weight (18 1/2 if you could possibly manage it) is the first prerequisite of a good Rugby League player.

given the threats via pm you have made i expected you to be having a pop on here sooner rather than later, still congratulations you managed a post without mentioning Mick Higham, congrats.

lets be honest and i know people do not like maurice,even though he got noble do you think he would still be here now if maurice was still in charge.

ok i started this thread but lets just say a good coach is hard to get

Indeed. I noticed that as well.

Good points raised here about coaches.

One glaring omission seems to be a history, or heritage with the club. For instance, Edwards is being touted as the prodigal son for Wigan RL by many on here, because of his passion for the club, but no one has suggested that this is important in being a good coach. Is a coach's history at the club therefore simply a red herring? Or possibly even a negative point?

Can anyone name a coach who has succeeded at their own club? Alex Murphy is probably the closest that Saints have had, but was nowhere near as successful as the likes of Millward or Anderson who have no particular passion for the club. Monie and Lowe had no passion for Wigan, but were both hugely successful. Cullen, I believe is passionate about Warrington, but did his passion get in the way of success?

Intelligance is key.

Knowledge of the game and knowledge of individual players and knowing what motivates individuals within a team to perform together in the most effective way possible.

Wayne Bennett is a superb example, not just because of what he has achieved in terms of silverware but also from how players talk about him.

Jim Sullivan, Des Hasler and Graeme West for a start.

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