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| Quote ="Cruncher"Do you really think would happen now?
There aren't too many this season who've dry-bummed Catalan.
I also find it amusing, that the England team we are currently seeking to test consists mainly of Leeds players who have failed test after test all season.
Perhaps the fans will start taking the international game seriously when the RFL do.'"
The England squad was a joke.
During the build up ET and wiggy were discussing just how in form the selected players where and how that was a key factor for playing. Then when they got to discussing the inclusion of Ablett, Sinfeld, Peacock etc. they basically said form was not a prerequisite as these guys are the current champs and WCC winners etc
The changed their mission statement in the space of 5 minutes.
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| Quote ="Deano G"Er, Tommy?
You do know that the Aussies don't pick players that play in SL on principle don't you - see Jamie Lyon.
Your exclusion of non Aus/NZ players would also have excluded Adrian Lam.
If you're point is that the Exiles team isn't as good as Australia, you're right, but it still a very strong side and there is an obvious point to England playing a team of this quality rather than say France.'"
At least the French would care and show some mild enthusiasm for the match.
That game last night was a complete non-event, regardless of any injuries. It was evident that neither the fans nor the exiles cared, and to be perfectly honest, as much as I was 'supporting' England, I still wanted all the Wigan players to do well, regardless of which side they were on.
That wouldn't happen if it was a proper test match.
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Someone else thinks much the same as most of us apparently:
England send Exiles packing but Thomas Leuluai injury sours night
England Knights 18-10 Exiles
Andy Wilson at Langtree Park
guardian.co.uk, Saturday 16 June 2012 22.31 BST
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England gained revenge for the last-gasp defeat they had suffered in the first of these matches against the cream of Super League's overseas imports with a worthy and workmanlike performance, but this was a night that offered more questions than answers, particularly about the future of the Exiles concept.
The atmosphere was flat, even though the attendance scraped into five figures, and a storm of near Ukrainian intensity shortly after kick-off led to a rash of understandable handling errors that prevented the game from developing any real momentum. Perhaps most significantly, the second half was marred by a serious ankle ligament injury to Thomas Leuluai, the Wigan scrum-half who was captaining the Exiles – leaving the current Super League leaders likely to lose an expensive import for two months that include the Challenge Cup semi-final, as the result of releasing him for a game designed primarily to benefit England.
It will be interesting to see how Wigan and the other clubs regard the second International Origin match that has been arranged this year, for a midweek date in Huddersfield next month, after such an emphatic demonstration of the potential risk.
There is no doubt that the exercise is a major boon to the England coach, Steve McNamara, before next year's World Cup, especially with the refusal of Australia and New Zealand to play international rugby this year meaning the end-of-season opposition will come from France and Wales. The Exiles provided far higher-calibre resistance, even if they lacked any visible desperation.
England played the slippery conditions sensibly, with the Leeds captain Kevin Sinfield kicking especially well, and grafted to a 12-0 lead in the first half-hour through well-taken tries from the second rows Gareth Hock and Danny Tickle.
The Exiles offered a reminder of their threat with a slick combination which ended with Francis Meli getting on the outside of England's debutant wing Josh Charnley for a try that cut the deficit to 12-4. But England stretched away again six minutes into the second half through a sharp finish from Sam Tomkins, the Wigan full-back who exerted a growing influence on the match.
He then almost set up a try for Ryan Hall, with whom he had combined so well in last year's Four Nations, only for the powerful Leeds wing to fumble in the incident that led to Leuluai's injury. Instead the Exiles subjected England to a fresh bout of pressure, and although both Tomkins and Hall denied them with quality defence, Daryl Millard eventually claimed their second try from a delicate kick by his Catalans team-mate Scott Dureau.
However, England saw out the rest of the game with reasonable comfort, allowing McNamara to claim a tangible improvement over the last 12 months, and the crowd produced its biggest cheer of the night – which was not saying much – when the St Helens hooker, James Roby, was named man of the match for a typically industrious effort which included 55 tackles. But it would take a brave man to guarantee the fixture's long-term future after this.
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Someone else thinks much the same as most of us apparently:
England send Exiles packing but Thomas Leuluai injury sours night
England Knights 18-10 Exiles
Andy Wilson at Langtree Park
guardian.co.uk, Saturday 16 June 2012 22.31 BST
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England gained revenge for the last-gasp defeat they had suffered in the first of these matches against the cream of Super League's overseas imports with a worthy and workmanlike performance, but this was a night that offered more questions than answers, particularly about the future of the Exiles concept.
The atmosphere was flat, even though the attendance scraped into five figures, and a storm of near Ukrainian intensity shortly after kick-off led to a rash of understandable handling errors that prevented the game from developing any real momentum. Perhaps most significantly, the second half was marred by a serious ankle ligament injury to Thomas Leuluai, the Wigan scrum-half who was captaining the Exiles – leaving the current Super League leaders likely to lose an expensive import for two months that include the Challenge Cup semi-final, as the result of releasing him for a game designed primarily to benefit England.
It will be interesting to see how Wigan and the other clubs regard the second International Origin match that has been arranged this year, for a midweek date in Huddersfield next month, after such an emphatic demonstration of the potential risk.
There is no doubt that the exercise is a major boon to the England coach, Steve McNamara, before next year's World Cup, especially with the refusal of Australia and New Zealand to play international rugby this year meaning the end-of-season opposition will come from France and Wales. The Exiles provided far higher-calibre resistance, even if they lacked any visible desperation.
England played the slippery conditions sensibly, with the Leeds captain Kevin Sinfield kicking especially well, and grafted to a 12-0 lead in the first half-hour through well-taken tries from the second rows Gareth Hock and Danny Tickle.
The Exiles offered a reminder of their threat with a slick combination which ended with Francis Meli getting on the outside of England's debutant wing Josh Charnley for a try that cut the deficit to 12-4. But England stretched away again six minutes into the second half through a sharp finish from Sam Tomkins, the Wigan full-back who exerted a growing influence on the match.
He then almost set up a try for Ryan Hall, with whom he had combined so well in last year's Four Nations, only for the powerful Leeds wing to fumble in the incident that led to Leuluai's injury. Instead the Exiles subjected England to a fresh bout of pressure, and although both Tomkins and Hall denied them with quality defence, Daryl Millard eventually claimed their second try from a delicate kick by his Catalans team-mate Scott Dureau.
However, England saw out the rest of the game with reasonable comfort, allowing McNamara to claim a tangible improvement over the last 12 months, and the crowd produced its biggest cheer of the night – which was not saying much – when the St Helens hooker, James Roby, was named man of the match for a typically industrious effort which included 55 tackles. But it would take a brave man to guarantee the fixture's long-term future after this.
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| Wigan fans in "our club is bigger than International RL shocker"... As has been said, had he not gone in with the knees, then he would have injured himself. I'm not sure what you guys want? Tommy is one of the most passionate players in RL, and never takes a backward step. Given the chance to play a representative game for the "Southern Hemisphere" he'd take it every time. That's the attitude of the Southern Hemisphere players...loyalty and honour. I you game them a game of tiddlywinks against an English side they would want to smash us. THAT is what makes them successful....Desire and passion rather than apathy and small mindedness. Our international success will never materialise as long as we look upon these games as pointless. Get well soon Tommy, we need the strongest Wire v Wigan finals we can have.
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| Quote ="Timmy the Koi"Wigan fans in "our club is bigger than International RL shocker"... As has been said, had he not gone in with the knees, then he would have injured himself. I'm not sure what you guys want? Tommy is one of the most passionate players in RL, and never takes a backward step. Given the chance to play a representative game for the "Southern Hemisphere" he'd take it every time. That's the attitude of the Southern Hemisphere players...loyalty and honour. I you game them a game of tiddlywinks against an English side they would want to smash us. THAT is what makes them successful....Desire and passion rather than apathy and small mindedness. Our international success will never materialise as long as we look upon these games as pointless. Get well soon Tommy, we need the strongest Wire v Wigan finals we can have.'"
I think you're letting parochialism take over there, what do you expect on a Wigan forum other than anger at a key player being injured in a quasi-international game? If M Monaghan, for instance, had played and been injured you'd be just as put out as we are.
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| Quote ="Timmy the Koi"Wigan fans in "our club is bigger than International RL shocker"... As has been said, had he not gone in with the knees, then he would have injured himself. I'm not sure what you guys want? Tommy is one of the most passionate players in RL, and never takes a backward step. Given the chance to play a representative game for the "Southern Hemisphere" he'd take it every time. That's the attitude of the Southern Hemisphere players...loyalty and honour. I you game them a game of tiddlywinks against an English side they would want to smash us. THAT is what makes them successful....Desire and passion rather than apathy and small mindedness. Our international success will never materialise as long as we look upon these games as pointless. Get well soon Tommy, we need the strongest Wire v Wigan finals we can have.'"
Johnny-come-lately Wire fan in lecture mode shocker.
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| I feel for Leuluai as he's a player i have a ton of respect for and i can understand Wigan fans being upset at his loss which looks like it could be season ending. However the ones calling for the game to now be scrapped because of this and hinting at compensation and saying the game was meaningless, remember the anger shown by Wigan fans when Goulding and McIlorum didn't get picked to play in this 'meaningless' match. Even though he'll be in the NRL next year you can bet if you asked Leuluai if he wants the Exiles game to continue on he'd say 100% yes.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"I feel for Leuluai as he's a player i have a ton of respect for and i can understand Wigan fans being upset at his loss which looks like it could be season ending. However the ones calling for the game to now be scrapped because of this and hinting at compensation and saying the game was meaningless, remember the anger shown by Wigan fans when Goulding and McIlorum didn't get picked to play in this 'meaningless' match. Even though he'll be in the NRL next year you can bet if you asked Leuluai if he wants the Exiles game to continue on he'd say 100% yes.'"
You are being rather selective in your reading of views. True that Wigan fans were annoyed at the exclusion of certain players, but that was coupled with the fact that the whole selection of the England team was a joke. The "joke" has resulted in us losing a key player. I'm sure if you had lost a player through injury in this game, you would feel the same. So please don't come here taking some kind of moral high ground. You hve failed.
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| Quote ="hatty"I disagree, we are constantly stating that we will never catch Australia because there are too many foreigners playing in super league yet here we are promoting a team of foreigners!! We need a better concept than this "exiles" farce because that game yesterday had anything but intensity or passion. The locker cup had more passion than what was on show yesterday. I think we need to work more on the lancs/York game more at least then the fans can show some passion which may rub off on the players'"
Probably a fair shout. There would be a bit more passion from fans etc. Is there enough talent though? Let's have a crack. Feel free to help.
Lancashire
1. Tomkins
2. Charnley
3. Bridge
4. Goulding
5. Riley
6. Briers
7. Lomax
8. Hill
9. Roby
10.Mossop
11.Hock
12.O'Loughlin
13.Sinfield
14.McIlorum
15.Adamson
16.Morley
17.Wood
Yorkshire
1. Eden
2. Cudjoe
3. Atkins
4. Yeoman
5. Briscoe
6. MaGuire
7. Brough
8. Peacock
9. Burrow
10.Carvell
11.Westwood
12.Tickle
13.Westerman
14.Crabtree
15.Pryce
16.Houghton
17.Wheeldon
To be fair, I think that would be quite competitive, long gone are the days we have to pick championship players.
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| His brother tweeted out for the rest of the season!
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"I feel for Leuluai as he's a player i have a ton of respect for and i can understand Wigan fans being upset at his loss which looks like it could be season ending. However the ones calling for the game to now be scrapped because of this and hinting at compensation and saying the game was meaningless, remember the anger shown by Wigan fans when Goulding and McIlorum didn't get picked to play in this 'meaningless' match. Even though he'll be in the NRL next year you can bet if you asked Leuluai if he wants the Exiles game to continue on he'd say 100% yes.'"
There was no "anger" about Goulding and McIlorum's omissions, just comment on McBananas England selection policy.
And as to Tommy saying "yes" to the exiles game continuing I doubt he cares one way or the other. On the other hand If you asked him that with hindsight he would prefer to have played in this game but as a result perhaps miss out on further club honours with Wigan you know the answer.
Players are like everyone else "It won't happen to me" is the attitude and what players want to do does't always coincide with their interests of their employer, their club. In that regard given we have lost TL there is no way Finch should be allowed near the next game whether he wants to play or not.
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| That's a shame for you guys, he and Finch have been excellent for you this season.
Best wishes to him.
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| Gutted for Tommy, what a rubbish way to end his excellent Wigan career if it does turn out to be season ending. What do people think are our halfback options now. We've basically got:
1. Sam
6. Lockers
7. Finch
1. Sam
6. Mellor
7. Finch
1. Sam
6. Finch
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1. Russell
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7. Finch
Which would people rather see? There could also be the option of paying the fee for Chase and bringing him now.
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"You are being rather selective in your reading of views. True that Wigan fans were annoyed at the exclusion of certain players, but that was coupled with the fact that the whole selection of the England team was a joke. The "joke" has resulted in us losing a key player. I'm sure if you had lost a player through injury in this game, you would feel the same. So please don't come here taking some kind of moral high ground. You hve failed.
EDIT. just looked, you are a Leeds fan... Speaks volumes.'"
No i'd be disappointed if a Leeds player got injured, which for a second i thought Hall did in the same collision, but i wouldn't call for the game to be scrapped as a result. I admit many Leeds fan would react differently to me, but i'm not trying to make it out to be some Leeds/Wigan thing like you are Sir and that fans of other clubs would be any different. I also wrote ''THE ONES (not everyone) who are calling for the game to be scrapped'' which indicates that yes i was being selective about some views but i didn't hide that and didn't claim all Wigan fans are thinking the same thing. Your OTT reaction to a well made and grown up point shows you have failed and speaks volumes about you as a person regardless of what team you support.
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| Broken ankle according to Bilko on Twitter - which is the best source I can think of. Gone for the season.
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| Just come up on Facebook that he has broken his ankle and is out for the season.
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| yep out 4 season magraff leuluais tweet states hes out 4 season,broken ankle.will some money be thrown at cas to bring chase in early???
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| Gutted for him doesn't deserve to go out like that.
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| Pull every player out of game 2. Yesterday was one of the most embarrassing fiascos Ive ever attended, from Saints being unable to sell hot food, to the crowd not caring / booing their own, to the entire novel on what is wrong with Steve McNamara and his selections, now we lose a player for the year.
Heartbreaking end to Tommy's season.
Do we move for Smith or Chase now or simply call Russell back? Mellor isn't anywhere near good enough and shouldn't be considered a realistic option.
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| I honestly can't see how Mellor is considered not good enough yet people think Russell is. He's fantastic with the ball in hand but he's still awful under the high ball. People didn't have much patience with Ainscough and I can't imagine them having much patience with Russell either. The Hull fans would be happy for Russell to come back to Wigan and that says a lot given the few options they have at fullback.
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| Quote ="leek123"yep out 4 season magraff leuluais tweet states hes out 4 season,broken ankle.will some money be thrown at cas to bring chase in early???'"
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| pay him roberts wages and up his pay packet next year?????????
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| Quote ="Dawg"Salary Cap may be a stumbling block.'"
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| I completely understand the anger at the loss of tommy, it's not that that I am getting at. It's the "let's scrap this meaningless game/we want compensation" nonsense. I realise that it's not all Wigan fans, but these types of games are important for the England "team" regardless of current selection. It's about the bonding as a unit for just the training camp or the game itself that is important. We need to start performing as a unit, and put aside team differences like we saw with the Saints/Leeds split a few years ago. Contrary to a lot of opinions, I believe we have the players to compete at the top level. Getting the selection right is the key, and it's these events that greatly assist in that.
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