I honestly think that they are slowing overtaking Warrington fans

Them thinking the RFL is out to get them is just bizarre?

Is it based them banned their back rowers who try to decapitate half backs every week ?

You’d think the decent ones on there would head back over to their board on here, to discuss Rugby League in a reasonably sensible way. I post on the independent Wigan board and that’s more ‘out there’ then here, it’s more biased and you get some characters but it’s not a patch on Red Vee. Over the years some of the things posted on there have been disgraceful.

I've thought that myself on occasion. How many actual decent posters are there though? I can only think of a handful.

It's mind boggling some people's views on the national side. The whole narrative about not supporting players from other teams, and that being exaggerated further by the coach being from "insert rival teams town/city here" (in this case, Wigan), is to me beyond comprehension. Yes I hate it when Welsby for example shreds us to pieces because he's an outstanding player, but by the same token the admiration for good play trumps that in the end. I want anyone pulling the England (or GB) shirt on to absolutely smash it, and I want more players across the league capable of doing it (regardless of what team they play for) as it will make Super League a better competition. The game will never improve over here without a strong backing of the national side, that's what has wicked me off the most about the way in which Saints have been in the recent past about releasing players for International duty (and others to a lesser extent, but Saints in particular as they've had the players who could make a real difference at Test level).

I must have missed the part where playing entertaining rugby and winning are mutually exclusive? Obviously if we got smashed by Tonga, then questions would need to be asked. We certainly have players capable of playing to a decent standard, should we really NEED to resort to safety first, crap rugby in a friendly to beat a poor side? You also don’t really need to “prepare” to play safety first rugby either. Surely in these games you can take the chance to work on plays and combinations? What exactly is Wane preparing in this case? He’s got a load of players that won’t be playing in the next World Cup, driving the ball in for 5 tackles. What’s that preparing us for exactly? Surely you’re not telling me that these Saints lads that won 4 on the bounce and a WCC, and the Wigan lads that have just done the double need to be taught a winning mentality by Shaun Wane?

Yes, I’d be more accepting of it in a major tournament provided it was working,

Also maybe I’m missing the point but given your views of redvee being a cesspit full of ingrates that post “disgraceful” views, why is it you’re so obsessed with going on there and copying and pasting posts? Embarrassing behaviour

Because it's funny.

You aren't missing something, you're just ignoring it. They are usually mutually exclusive in horrendous weather conditions. Don't let that detract from your narrative though.

It was me who said some posts over the years have been disgraceful (and they have) but you seem to have combined that with posts being copy and pasted over, which isn’t me.

Couple of examples of the posts I refer to-

1-A member of the Sky team being called a f*c*ing summat or over (mocking his disability)

2-A poster being called a paedophile because he made rugby related comments people didn’t agree with.

Just 2 examples in a sea of sh*te.


Now that’s what I call embarrassing!

And just for clarity, why does it bother you what I do? I'm sorry if it butt hurts you to see the moronic rantings of your fellow Saints fans posted here. I'll make sure I consider your feelings before I post any others*




*I wont at all

Reading this thread a bit late in the debate but picking up on some of the comments or themes.
Firstly - complaints about the conditions, now i do watch NRL games from time to time and one thing that does stike me is just how much it really pi$$es down in Australia and New Zealand, torrential rain at times, yet they somehow dont know how to play when it rains.
Next, I thought England played some really good entertaining rugby in the last world cup and to the semi final, I very much doubt Wane was up in the gantry shouting 'pass it forward, pass it forward' at the end, the players failed to execute in the last game played and I beleive we could have won the game and had a decent chance had we made it to the final.
Some of the selections of this series are not looking ahead to the next world cup but who knows what players have not been selected as they maybe looked burnt out or needing time off for the off season to right themsleves for their club and maybe put their hand down when asked if they were fit to play the series.
As far as chucking any pleayers at this test series - Wayne Bennett and GB - enough said

I see Wane has said today that Newman will go back to Leeds a different player after 3 weeks with him. I'm sure Rohan Smith will appreciate those comments.

This is the side of Wane that I don't like, the incessant need to big himself up. Whether or not there's truth in what he's saying it doesn't need to be made public and its comments like that which wind opposition fans up.

This isn't an anti-Wigan thing either. If another high profile coach had said similar I would be quick to criticise. I'm sure he thinks the players in the squad have no idea of a good culture or a winning mentality. He couldn't be further from the truth.

You got a link to the article?

Well Newman certainly hasnt a winning mentality.

Quote ="Jukesays"You got a link to the article?'" https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... p-28020356

Quote ="Jukesays"You got a link to the article?'" https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/ru ... p-28020356

Presume you’re referring to different comments to one’s I’ve noted below that I found in the Rugby League alive article?

Wane on Newman said-

“He’s been brilliant. He’s been fantastic, so enjoyable to coach. He’ll be in for a tough time tonight when we go through his video but a lot of good things and I rate him very highly. The way he’s changed and behaved the way I wanted him to behave has been outstanding so credit to the Rhinos, but they are also getting a player back who will be a different player.”

It can’t be that paragraph, so will have to wait for what you’ve seen to give a proper view.


On a side note, Newman himself has just said in an interview I watched that he thinks training and playing with guys like Whitehead, Bateman and Burgess will improve him for when he goes back to Leeds. Offensive to his Leeds teammates so you think?

No. It’s that paragraph. What part of “they’ll be getting a player back who will be a different player” isn’t a pop at Leeds or Rohan Smith or telling everyone how great Wane is?

He’s given some credit to Leeds but he’s still insinuated that he’s performed miracles with him in 3 weeks.

It is that article..ffs



Come on Stu I had you down as being reasonable. You really are looking for things to have a go at if you’re saying Wane has come out and said he’ll be different “because he’s spent time with me”. Newman himself has commented how valuable it’s been to spend time with the NRL lads, the other players and in a different environment etc. He mentions how physically challenging the games are and how you can’t have a minute off.

Harry Smith will come back to Wigan a better player and a more confident player IMO as well. The same with many players going back to various clubs because of the different challenges you face, the way you go away from your comfort zone and from ideas taken from different coaches. Shaun Wane and Kristian Woolf have won numerous trophies between them, so you would like to think they’re pretty high level coaches as well, so maybe there is some potential players would benefit from working with them.

Yip it is that article, hence why I asked for the link because I thought no way on earth can he mean the one I've seen

Talk about clutching at straws

He doesn't even say "better player after 3 weeks with HIM"

I guess it’s subjective and how you interpret it. If it’s a better player for mixing with NRL players and playing at a higher intensity then fair enough they are valid comments.

I read it as more in relation to behaviour/culture with saying it in the same context as talking about his recent behavioural issues.

For the sake of being fair I’ll reflect and cut him some slack seeing as I’ve not heard the full interview.

[uThe way he’s changed and behaved the way I wanted him to behave has been outstanding so credit to the Rhinos,[/u but they are also getting a player back who will be a different player.”

I'm.going to wait for NKs response to this (and I'll explain why later if you want).

I think the modern society call it ‘unconscious bias’ and reading those comments in the way you have is a prime example IMO.

I recall Wanes comments after the World Cup semi final defeat and it was all ‘don’t blame the players, blame me, I’ve made mistakes, I need to be better’ and so on. To make out he’s some sort of attention grabbing, self obsessed big head is wrong from what I see and read.

Taking all comments out of the equation, Harry Newman has looked in a different frame of mind mentally, so something has worked but that could be Wane, the leaders within the group talking to him, Newman himself just realising he needs to change etc etc.

Hands up I’ve had a long day at work and quickly read the article. If I’ve got it wrong then I’ve got it wrong.

However by the same token don’t portray Wane as some sort of shy, humble leader. He says things in public that don’t need to be said in public.

I completely agree with his comments on Wellens but he didn’t need to say them live on BBC1. A guy who he describes as a close friend. Those comments should be private and to Wellens only.