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| Quote ="jinkin jimmy"If only I'd typed Wiganers, eh? Still, not a bad effort considering your obvious limitations. Shame you have to hate anyone though.....
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Very poor comeback matey but never mind - I know it's a big step up to the big leagues when you're taking on the likes of me and not everyone's up to it. At least you tried and will never look back in years to come and wonder "what if?". It's better to have tried and failed than never to have tried at all.
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"Lets have a competition:
Which of the two teams in the Grand Final had the most players found guilty of foul play this SL season?'"
Anyone?
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| Quote ="Northampton_Saint"Very poor comeback matey but never mind - I know it's a big step up to the big leagues when you're taking on the likes of me and not everyone's up to it. At least you tried and will never look back in years to come and wonder "what if?". It's better to have tried and failed than never to have tried at all.
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Wow, your really bad at this.
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| £300 fine on top of a 10 super league match ban will teach him....
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| Quote ="21-12"Wow, your really bad at this.'"
No do not tell him that.
He or She is giving me a good laugh by trying to troll and make out they are intelligent when the person can not be more than 12.
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| Just a quick question or two for those with all the facts and figures to hand . Are any of you able to provide a league table of the total number of games each team's playing staff have been banned for this season ? Including time period bans that run into next season ... A similar list regarding time period bans.
A list of teams that won the same amount of trophies as London and Bradford would be much appreciated too ..
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"No one else has done a player already out on the deck.'"
Nope, Flower is certainly the first i can remember doing that
But they have broken peoples jaw in multiple places with attacks to the head, when the opposition were not expecting it (Chase on Ropati, Mcclorum on Dixon)
Or smacked a player by surprise by blindsiding them whilst they were facing the other way or prone on the floor (Briers on Ablett, Radford on Bailey, Westwood on Green) which could cause a huge amount of damage.
Point being that Flowers was a real bad one
But it is by no way the single most horrific incident that has EVER happened in Rugby League. I can think of plenty worse.
Not that there is any point trying to argue with a complete one eyed troll like your good self.
By the way
Your comments on depression on the VT where disgusting. Mind you that's why you posted it. To make your little winkle tinkle when you see people being offended from the comfort of you PC.
oooooohhhhhhhhh
What a big man
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| Just to show there is no malice or bias in my questions , would it also be possible to provide a league regarding headbutts and homophobic abuse too ?
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| Quote ="Father Ted"
Sorry, but remind me again when Wire last beat Wigan at Wembley or OT?'"
And there you have it! My point 100% proven! Why on earth would you to ask that question under a thread entitled Thugby?? Your obsession on this board with Wire and even more so Saints is amazing. It's not just your players that are masters of the cheap shot!!
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| You've picked one sentence out of a whole reply which is about thugby.
Boyd and Nickle were thugs of the first order.
This is a thread about Thugby as my reply indicated.
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| Quote ="tugglesf78"
By the way
Your comments on depression on the VT where disgusting. Mind you that's why you posted it. To make your little winkle tinkle when you see people being offended from the comfort of you PC.
oooooohhhhhhhhh
What a big man'"
No. That comment was way out of order and posted out of frustration after just witnessing the incident. But that's no excuse and i'll now face the consequences by being labelled (if i wasn't already) as a bellend. I'll deal with it.
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| Quote ="FlexWheeler"No. That comment was way out of order and posted out of frustration after just witnessing the incident. But that's no excuse and i'll now face the consequences by being labelled (if i wasn't already) as a bellend. I'll deal with it.'"
Fair enough
I am saying nothing more on the subject as you have apologised, in public and about something that happened completely in the heat of the moment when your blood was up, for which you now feel nothing but remorse
It would be completely unfair for me to repeatedly chastise you over and over and over and over again. On social media, the free press, television and this good forum.
That would just be like some sort of which hunt!
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| Quote ="tugglesf78"Fair enough
I am saying nothing more on the subject as you have apologised, in public and about something that happened completely in the heat of the moment when your blood was up, for which you now feel nothing but remorse
It would be completely unfair for me to repeatedly chastise you over and over and over and over again.'"
You could if you want but no one would care because I'm a nobody!
Now the RFL have dealt with it swiftly the uproar in the media and on social networks should clam down. When flower returns it'll be forgotton, all is forgiven.
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"Lets have a competition:
Which of the two teams in the Grand Final had the most players found guilty of foul play this SL season?'"
I was looking at this over the weekend so would like to have a go at answering.
By my calculations both Saints and Wigan had 7 players charged during the Super League season.
Is that correct?
Additionally, I also noticed Saints had 26 other incidents looked at resulting in "No Charge".
Wigan had 48.
Quite a difference there.
I couldn't help but notice that Sam Powell was looked at 5 times during the season.
Two of which were in the last two games and two of which were within two minutes in the same match.
Four of the five incidents were for direct contact with the standing/supporting leg(s), with the other also in regard to tackling technique.
I thought that quite interesting.
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"I'm not looking at any further statistic because I don't have time to - as much as I'd like to compile a full model on the matter, life gets in the way. It's not any statistic, I've given my reason why I used the statistic I did and you yourself said it was a fair point.
You can ask "but whose perception is it" all you like - but it's clearly a common held belief amongst fans outside of your club. I think Wigan play closer to the line than other clubs, the stats I provided backed that up. I've not accused Wigan of being dirty or anything else, but I can understand how people interpret the citings as such (that doesn't mean they're right).
If wigan as a club don't want to be accused of "thugby" they need to step in line with the number of citings (the number of times they get close to stepping over the line) with other clubs - whatever that takes.'"
I'm sure Phil Clarke will have all those stats ready for the next time he bores the crap out of us with stats.
Strangely not seen or heard of him since last Saturday
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| Quote ="The Riddler"Additionally, I also noticed Saints had 26 other incidents looked at resulting in "No Charge".
Wigan had 48.
Quite a difference there.'"
What is quite interesting, is that Wigan had an extra 22 incidents looked at, which resulted in no charge. So an actual difference of 0 charges brought against both clubs.
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| Quote ="The Riddler"I was looking at this over the weekend so would like to have a go at answering.
By my calculations both Saints and Wigan had 7 players charged during the Super League season.
Is that correct?
Additionally, I also noticed Saints had 26 other incidents looked at resulting in "No Charge".
Wigan had 48.
Quite a difference there.
I couldn't help but notice that Sam Powell was looked at 5 times during the season.
Two of which were in the last two games and two of which were within two minutes in the same match.
Four of the five incidents were for direct contact with the standing/supporting leg(s), with the other also in regard to tackling technique.
I thought that quite interesting.'"
Not quite - I said found guilty in the SL this season. Being charged with something does not imply guilt. Saints have had more players found guilty of foul play in the SL this season than Wigan. However you'd think Wigan went onto the pitch with AK47s with the bile threads like this throw up. Hull KR and Catalan had more players found guilty than either Wigan or Saints.
As already been stated there is no difference the number of incidents resulting in no charge because there wasn't actually anything wrong in terms of foul play that required any kind of disciplinary punishment. Perhaps it shows even the RFL are falling for the urban myth and when they actually look at the detail there isn't anything there.
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| Quote ="St pete"I'm sure Phil Clarke will have all those stats ready for the next time he bores the crap out of us with stats.
Strangely not seen or heard of him since last Saturday'"
And where precisely would you have expected to see him? Newsnight? Never Mind the Buzzcocks? Down your local?
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"And where precisely would you have expected to see him? Newsnight? Never Mind the Buzzcocks? Down your local?'"
He was probably expecting a personal email full of grovelling apologies for being a Wiganer, which in typical grandstanding Saints fan fashion, he could then reject.
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| Quote ="St pete"It's because you play with an aggressive nature and people still remember the likes of Hock and Newton.
Also the way Wane comes across doesn't help things.
I wouldn't say Wigan are dirty, I'd say they play aggressive and play on the edge and nothing wrong with that but when your an aggressive team like that it gets other fans wound up so when Wigan do over step the mark it then becomes "thugs".
However, I do believe Wigan have had some of the dirtest plsyers to play super league in Hock, Newton and Micky Mac.'"
Kieron Cunningham received no ban whatsoever when he forearmed a player in the face whilst on the floor, and fractured said player's eye-socket (Stosic of Wakefield). No ban, no threat of police, for what was a far worse incident. It is just a shame that Flower didn't keep his composure, because he's NOT a dirty player, far from it; but had he done so it should have been St Helens down to 12 men for the match, and I suspect they would have lost by more than 40 points.
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| Quote ="Magic Superbeetle"I'm not looking at any further statistic because I don't have time to - as much as I'd like to compile a full model on the matter, life gets in the way. It's not any statistic, I've given my reason why I used the statistic I did and you yourself said it was a fair point.
You can ask "but whose perception is it" all you like - but it's clearly a common held belief amongst fans outside of your club. I think Wigan play closer to the line than other clubs, the stats I provided backed that up. I've not accused Wigan of being dirty or anything else, but I can understand how people interpret the citings as such (that doesn't mean they're right).
If wigan as a club don't want to be accused of "thugby" they need to step in line with the number of citings (the number of times they get close to stepping over the line) with other clubs - whatever that takes.'"
Why would they need to look at the number of times "they get close to stepping over the line"? I don't see your point. The line is drawn where it is for a reason (i.e. that it isn't foul play) so why should they look at addressing play that's within the rules of the game. Shall we also look at addressing incidents that were close to being cited? And then incidents that were nearly close to being cited? Then incidents that were almost nearly close to....well I think you get the point! The rules are set out. Play within them and that is fine regardless of what some fans perceive. To be perfectly frank, if we listened and, God forbid, acted on what some fans perceived we'd have Ben Flower arrested and put in jail (and even worse!) by now.
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| Quote ="Northampton_Saint"Very poor comeback matey but never mind - I know it's a big step up to the big leagues when you're taking on the likes of me and not everyone's up to it. At least you tried and will never look back in years to come and wonder "what if?". It's better to have tried and failed than never to have tried at all.
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Poor comeback? You were grammatically incorrect in a post that was inferring other people were 'mindless'. The two definitions of irony below might interest you as you clearly have trouble understanding the concept!
•a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often wryly amusing as a result.
•a literary technique, originally used in Greek tragedy, by which the full significance of a character's words or actions is clear to the audience or reader although unknown to the character.
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