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| Quote ="TOMCAT"Flower deserves to have been sent off and what ever punishment he gets via the RFL
The Wigan club and every other for that matter. Needs to look at how it encourages aggression, motivates players and what tone it sets for conduct in and in the immediate aftermath of the collision. To ensure that the win at all costs mentality does not cross the line. Only Wane and Flower know what effect team talks of the sort we have seen in "that video" had on the on field behaviour of the individual and the team. I hope all coaches take a good look at themselves and make sure that they are not promoting thuggery as opposed to fair aggressive play.'"
A two match ban is deserved. Arguably less, since the RFL set the precedent for attacking floor-bound defenceless players after the Westwood "ban" last season.
St. Helens need to have a look in particular, since the smallest man on their team attempted to break the jaw of the biggest man on our team. If that isn't uncontrolled aggression, I don't know what is.
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| Quote ="TOMCAT"For what it's worth here are my thoughts and comments on the Flower incident / sending off
The Wigan club and every other for that matter. Needs to look at how it encourages aggression, motivates players and what tone it sets for conduct in and in the immediate aftermath of the collision. To ensure that the win at all costs mentality does not cross the line. Only Wane and Flower know what effect team talks of the sort we have seen in "that video" had on the on field behaviour of the individual and the team. I hope all coaches take a good look at themselves and make sure that they are not promoting thuggery as opposed to fair aggressive play.'"
Well said, and based upon the facts of the matter, Wigan are far from the worst in this regard. There are many other clubs who have far worse disciplinary records than Wigan.
Unfortunately, getting to the facts on an issue such as this will require fans to go searching for the facts, rather than making them up based upon what they see out of one half-open eye.
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| Quote ="Jack Kerley"Well said, and based upon the facts of the matter, Wigan are far from the worst in this regard. There are many other clubs who have far worse disciplinary records than Wigan.
Unfortunately, getting to the facts on an issue such as this will require fans to go searching for the facts, rather than making them up based upon what they see out of one half-open eye.'"
It might be easier to understand the righteous indignation if Lance had suffered a bad injury, like say a broken eye socket....
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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"It might be easier to understand the righteous indignation if Lance had suffered a bad injury, like say a broken eye socket....'"
To be honest, I have never been an advocate of banning a player based upon the level of injury to his victim.
Sometimes the most innocuous of challenges can result in a serious injury, and the worst challenges can result in nothing more than a bloody nose, so we need to be careful if we go down that path.
Flower was out of order, and should receive a ban commensurate with what he did. I expect him to get 12 matches, which is over the top, but I think that is what he will get.
I also realise that anything less than a public flogging will lead to much wailing and gnashing of teeth from some quarters.
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| Quote ="Jack Kerley"To be honest, I have never been an advocate of banning a player based upon the level of injury to his victim.
Sometimes the most innocuous of challenges can result in a serious injury, and the worst challenges can result in nothing more than a bloody nose, so we need to be careful if we go down that path.
Flower was out of order, and should receive a ban commensurate with what he did. I expect him to get 12 matches, which is over the top, but I think that is what he will get.
I also realise that anything less than a public flogging will lead to much wailing and gnashing of teeth from some quarters.'"
The disciplinary should hand down a ban they think is correct for the offence committed. They should look at the whole incident and then decide what the punishment is going to be.
Under no circumstances should they be influenced by the press, t.v. , fans etc.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"The disciplinary should hand down a ban they think is correct for the offence committed. They should look at the whole incident and then decide what the punishment is going to be.
Under no circumstances should they be influenced by the press, t.v. , fans etc.'"
Problem is they will be.
Anything above 6 months from now is a joke and totally proves that the RFL is corrupt.
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| Quote ="tank123"Problem is they will be.
Anything above 6 months from now is a joke and totally proves that the RFL is corrupt.'"
All I know is that when the ban is handed out some Wigan fans will say it is too many and some Saints fans will say it's not enough.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"All I know is that when the ban is handed out some Wigan fans will say it is too many and some Saints fans will say it's not enough.'"
That is very true but what worries me in this is the stance that Saints as a club are taking. They say that they are happy for the RL to deal with it and not involve the police, which on the face of it sounds very reasonable. But they also say that if they don't think that the incident is dealt with to their satisfaction then they will consider looking at taking the matter further. It seems to me that they are trying to force the RL's hand into giving Flower as big as ban as possible. It's obvious that the RL don't want to see it go to the police as this will open a whole can of worms for future cases so they are being put under pressure by the Saints management.
It would have been better and more honest of Saints to say they want to take the issue further, or else say they are happy to let the RL deal with it ,not try to put pressure on the RL.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"All I know is that when the ban is handed out some Wigan fans will say it is too many and some Saints fans will say it's not enough.'"
Public execution will not be enough for Saints fans.
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| Quote ="tank123"Public execution will not be enough for Saints fans.'"
In my opinion public execution is way too good for most Saints fans.
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