Parramatta Eeels forum claiming hes signed a 4 year deal with them. Its going mad on there !!!

Sporting contracts aren't worth the paper they are printed on anymore. People on here seem resigned to the fact that Tomkins will only be a Wigan player for another 12 months, despite the fact he has a long contract with you. He has a clause preventing him speaking to other clubs, which isn't as long as the contract. What does that tell you about the worth of the contract?

Yes, Wigan fans probably can feel aggrieved that (if the rumours are true) Hock isn't repaying the faith shown in him by the club. But ultimately, that is down to Hock's own conscience; if the club don't have a legal contract that stipulates that the rehabilitation excludes Hock from signing professional terms with any other sporting club for a certain term, he can move on, and let his future club pay Wigan any compo.

Honestly would be devastated if Hock left, nothing would hurt more than that. He is our best forward by a long way, creativity in abundance, the only one who bothers to offload, yes he is a bit of a nutcase and loves a rumble, but I adore watching him in our second row, knowing he can change a game in an instant and there are very very few forwards on this planet who can do that. He would be fantastic in the NRL, but I’d be very sad and peed off to see him go, because we’re going nowhere but down the table very very quickly

If Hock moves it is 'The king is dead, long live the king' scenario. The same will be said with Tomkins, SOL, HH, or anybody else who moves on to pastures new for more money. One day all these players will be retired and forgotten, the same with Faz, Rads and the others from the team from 10 years or so ago.

It tells me exactly what is says on the tin. That he has a five year contract which within the first three years precludes him speaking to any other club and that this is enforceable.



The fact Wigan can enforce Tomkins contract means contracts [iare [/ienforceable and I am sure all clubs do not employ legal numpties who draw up contracts with more holes in them than a sieve. The idea any player can sign a deal with another club and just walk out without his current clubs agreement is nonsense. If Wigan refused to release him there is no way on earth another club would risk signing the player and if you think that isn't a problem you have clearly forgotten what happened to Bradford when they felt free to sign Harris.

Leeds sued them for signing a player who's registration they held and they won. That shows you there is legal authority behind contracts and means Wigan must agree to any move.

Therefore as a Wigan fan as I said I want to see the clubs justification for this as much as I do Hock's. Regardless of what I may think of the way he has treated the club and fans, the club is IMO in the dock as well.

If Hock leaves then we will have NO attacking options in the pack. Lockers, Hansen, Mcilorum are all workhorses with little game changing ability.

Add into the mix we've lost two strike backs in Tommy and Carmont then it's painstakingly obvious to me all other teams need to do next season is mark Sam out of the game.

God knows what happens when Sam leaves.

I have supported IL to the hilt but he's watched over the biggest destruction of a quality team that I've ever seen in any sport.

There is a slight flaw in your argument here. We aren't getting any new kings. A few pretenders to the throne maybe.

Second year in a row, we've lost a player we didn't expect to lose and will receive a transfer fee. So what?

We cant keep losing the quality we do, IL's ability to release anyone from a contract is ridiculous, with Hock gone, the one bit of spark in our pack is gone.

Unless Wigan want rid - for whatever bad apple reason - which doesn't seem to be rumored, I cant understand why we are letting him go.

So much for us standing by him.

Its season ticket renewal time, and whilst my money & application form are ready to go, I'm questioning whether it's worth bothering. I'm utterly disillusioned with RL and Wigan aren't helping, we've announced 2 more sponsors in the past day, so what? It means nothing without a successful team, which with Hock now going and the expected departures of Mossop and more importantly Sam in 12 months, its only getting worse.

Where has the expected departure of Mossop come from?

I'm basing it on all the rumours from the other threads about him having an NRL release or being off to Souths on some kind of loan deal.

Been told gaz as signed today 1 down upto 2 more to go.

Why are more going?

Cash.

Look out your window. Can you see golden sunny beaches, palm trees, beautiful blonde women holding cans of frosty cold beer?

So we 'are' trying to do it on the cheap ?

If Hock goes, the quality in the team will fall even more.

Sam T will certainly be off if he thinks he is having to do everything. That scenario didn't help us when we had Trent Barrett.

Tomkins is leaving after the world cup next year, never been any doubt about that with the contract he signed

Bobby Goulding reckons it's a done deal and that Parramatta have paid a big fee. 3 seasons of making a title challenge then rip the team up. Joke, What is the point of even watching next year. Won't surprise me if Sam just decides to announce this WILL be his last season. I thought IL taking over was supposed to be the best thing to happen to us. We got 3 world class players by fluke and had a stormer in 2010.

Since then they have all gone, Tommy has gone, Hock (allegedly) gone, Fielden gone, Russell gone, Joel gone, Gleeson done for drink/drugs (delete as applicable), Coley, Roberts and Deacon retired and not replaced with the same quality, forward line destroyed, Rumblings about Sam going.

Doesn't really bode well. The players brought in are the equivalent of schoolboy players in comparison to what we have let go.

Someone on the Saints board has hammered the nail on the head.

'Rats leaving a sinking ship'

Sinking very very quickly. And the silence from the club is deafening. It isn't fair on the fans. They want bums on seats then they have to prove they want us there rather than just pocketing the gate cash.

At the moment we are on par with the likes of Huddersfield and Hull KR, the likes of Wire and Saints will smash us next season.

Onion or NRL?

Just been reading the Oz links posted on here, and apart from the Hock story, there is also mention of George Carmont being signed. We were told he was 'retiring' . [iMeanwhile, Hock's Wigan teammate George Carmont is expected to be among four signings new Warriors coach Matthew Elliott hopes to announce later this week, Read more: www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z2AniI26E0[/i

Just been reading the Oz links posted on here, and apart from the Hock story, there is also mention of George Carmont being signed. We were told he was 'retiring' . [iMeanwhile, Hock's Wigan teammate George Carmont is expected to be among four signings new Warriors coach Matthew Elliott hopes to announce later this week, Read more: www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... z2AniI26E0[/i

It is his inability to hold them to contracts that is the problem. There is no doubt in my mind a reason for this will be the club is being run as a business rather than being bank rolled at least to some degree by a wealthy owner such as at Warrington. In order to be able to resist offers of large doses of cash and hold players to contracts you have to be prepared to forgo the cash and let players leave for free at the end of contracts. We seemingly prefer the cash.

I fail to see the point of spending money supposedly got for selling Joel on Taylor if a few weeks later we have to replenish the coffers by selling Hock!



I can't see it. Being able to sell a player for big fee when you would be offering him around for sale doesn't work. That makes it a buyers market. A big fee, if that is what Wigan got, implies compensation not a nominal fee I'd expect for a club to take an unwanted player off our hands. In fact such a player would more than likely just be released not sold.

just about to get my season ticket but it makes you wonder if its worth bothering.

What sort of fee do you think would be appropriate if Wigan do sell Hock.

If only Parra had the decency and bought Hock before Ellis came available, I don't see any feasible replacement to Hock and if he does leave it'll be another set back in what has already been a talent depleted off season. Central contracts for the England team any one?

Talk about feeling disillusioned with the club, after the feel good of 2010 we are now looking at serious player drain if Hock does leave, which he will. Next years squad looks average at best at the moment.

Either Hock has done something to make the club want rid, or he just wants to leave, either way its an unbelievable lack of respect and appreciation for how much the club has stood by him. If its just the the big transfer fee then what's the point in us buying average players in Smith and Green and funding it by selling arguably the best forward in SL?

And there I think is the problem for the fans.

Lenegan wants to make a profit, I feel.

We, the fans, want a successful team.