I believe so, yes. A good player at age 13 very often doesn't go on to fulfil his potential; likewise a player that didn't really impress at that age can go on to be something special. I watch our lads at all age groups from U15's upwards, and the progress they made under Wane, and now make under Fletcher, is amazing.
Coaching makes all the difference at that age.

Despite making very valid points about the various permutations, you still haven't said what you think will happen at the end of the year!

I think it is too early to write off Saints as a top 2 side. That's what I think which, weirdly enough, is why I said it.

Fans of other teams have gleefully written off Saints early doors in a few recent seasons - each time we've gone on to finish in the top2 and make the GF.

I think it's far sillier to decide Saints are completely out of it than it is to state that it's early doors and a lot can still happen.

I'm not going to say Saints will finish above Wire any more than I would Wire will finish above Wigan - because I don't know how it will play out and nor does anybody else.

That much I agree with.

I felt all week Saints would go and win at Leeds even without Pryce + Eastmond, and teams like that who can pull results out of the hat are always going to be a credible threat.

Very mature response. How about questioning my post? or providing a decent rationale as to why you think it's funny? Or is acting like a kid more important to you and having a stab at Warrington. It's folk like you that cause the anomosity on here between the two set's of fans.

How can you say you have been the best team over the last 2 seasons?

All you have done (not taking anything away from you btw) is won a knockout comp twice anything can happen in a one off game and draws make a big diffrence but to say you have been the best team is bonkers

Wigan,saints and leeds have been better over the last 2 seasons

I never said "we've been the best team". Also the playoffs is just a knockout comp(which we manage to mess up), anything can happen in a one off game. There is a reason not many teams win both. Semi....final...playoffs. All happen within a month of each other. I think it's hard to lift that often in such a short space of time. Wigan will see what it's like if you eventually make it to Wembley. It's hard to do.

So much wrong with that post it's hard to know where to start

Playoffs you earn a right all season to have a second shot which we did and you but you chucked that chance away

I know, which leads to my point of it being difficult to win both. Which other points do you think were wrong? I notice you missed the part where i didn't say "we're the best team". I know we haven't been the best team.