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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"Does anybody now where this will rank Sam in the way of earnings, does this new contract make him one of the say top 5 earners, or is it like a sliding scale increasing each year.'"
I doubt he will be on six figures. I would imagine it would increase year on year.
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"Does anybody now where this will rank Sam in the way of earnings, does this new contract make him one of the say top 5 earners, or is it like a sliding scale increasing each year.'"
Doesn't really matter. Given our squad and who is out on loan he is bound to be one of the top 25 earners as I think we only have something like 27 players named as the 1st team squad and its the top 25 earners of them who count. There are more junior players then him in that 27.
As the is an extension of his current deal it also depends if they have decided to pay him more than he was due until his original contract was due to expire (2011 I think).
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| Great news for Wigan, he's no Richie Myler but that can't be helped but it's a sign that you're willing to stcik with him, who do you see alongside him? I think he need's a runner ala Pryce, Maguire, Jeffries that type of player.
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"Does anybody now where this will rank Sam in the way of earnings, does this new contract make him one of the say top 5 earners, or is it like a sliding scale increasing each year.'"
As good as he's been i'd be very suprised of it puts him in the top 5 bracket just yet.
I'd guess he's got a decent increase but the sliding scale with him working his way up in terms of salary year on year is more likely i'd say.
Maybe something dependant on appearences.
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| Quote ="Mark"Great news for Wigan, he's no Richie Myler but that can't be helped but it's a sign that you're willing to stcik with him, who do you see alongside him? I think he need's a runner ala Pryce, Maguire, Jeffries that type of player.'"
I love these backhanded compliments.
We didn't need to 'stick with him'. What we needed to do was get him signed up quick, before being dragged into the sort of frenzied auction that will take Myler away from Salford (and quite possibly will take him away from you as well).
It gets better every day, this board. A Wire fan doing condescending. I've seen it all now.
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| It is true then, you can't have a sensible chat about RL with 99% of Wigan fans, no wonder your fans are the joke of rlfans. I try and talk sensibly and just get grief..shocking, I notice none of you answered my question. I expect sensible people like Nickykiss or ABP to give a reasonable answer.
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| Quote ="Mark"It is true then, you can't have a sensible chat about RL with 99% of Wigan fans, no wonder your fans are the joke of rlfans. I try and talk sensibly and just get grief..shocking, I notice none of you answered my question. I expect sensible people like Nickykiss or ABP to give a reasonable answer.'" You knew what you were doing.
To answer your question though i think he needs a good solid scrum half who can do all the basics well and let sam come up with the more off the cuff stuff.
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| Quote ="Mark"It is true then, you can't have a sensible chat about RL with 99% of Wigan fans, no wonder your fans are the joke of rlfans. I try and talk sensibly and just get grief..shocking, I notice none of you answered my question. I expect sensible people like Nickykiss or ABP to give a reasonable answer.'"
No wonder we're the joke of RLFans ???
We aren't the ones who've just been caught out having a crafty pop, and have then scuttled to deny it by trying to pretend we were actually doing something more worthy.
At least have the guts to admit what you're up to.
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| Quote ="Mark"Great news for Wigan, he's no Richie Myler but that can't be helped but it's a sign that you're willing to stcik with him, who do you see alongside him? I think he need's a runner ala Pryce, Maguire, Jeffries that type of player.'"
Personally am very confident that Tomkins will turn out to be just as good if not better than Myler in a couple of years.
As for your question I actually think he needs the exact opposite of what you suggest. Tomkins is the 'runner' - what he needs is an organiser and a playmaker to compliment.
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| Quote ="Mark" I try and talk sensibly and just get grief..shocking, I notice none of you answered my question. I expect sensible people like Nickykiss or ABP to give a reasonable answer.'"
You call sensible saying Tomkins is no Myler!!!
Myler is THE most overrated player in SL since Kevin Brown. Put Sam or Eastmond in the Salford team and they’d be far further up the table than they are now. Same goes for England if either Sam or Eastmond played against against the French part timers they would have scored even more.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"No wonder we're the joke of RLFans ???
We aren't the ones who've just been caught out having a crafty pop, and have then scuttled to deny it by trying to pretend we were actually doing something more worthy.
At least have the guts to admit what you're up to.'"
How did I have a crafty pop? Just stating fact.
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| Quote ="MadDogg"Personally am very confident that Tomkins will turn out to be just as good if not better than Myler in a couple of years.
As for your question I actually think he needs the exact opposite of what you suggest. Tomkins is the 'runner' - what he needs is an organiser and a playmaker to compliment.'"
Spot on.
He needs an organiser at the side of him so he can concentrate on doing what he does best and at this moment in time thats running and just playing abit of 'off the cuff' rugby.
I think long term he'll become a similar style of player to Sean Long and will have a runner at the side of him but he doesn't need those pressure of organising at the moment.
A player like Orford would go well alongside him imo.
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| Quote ="thepriestman85"You call sensible saying Tomkins is no Myler!!!
Myler is THE most overrated player in SL since Kevin Brown. Put Sam or Eastmond in the Salford team and they’d be far further up the table than they are now. Same goes for England if either Sam or Eastmond played against against the French part timers they would have scored even more.'"
Definite WUM. I'm sorry, I tend to take the opinion of RL experts rather than somebody on a message board, Myler is without doubt the hottest property on the market, Tomkins may well turn out to be a better player, but at the moment Myler is a class above.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Spot on.
He needs an organiser at the side of him so he can concentrate on doing what he does best and at this moment in time thats running and just playing abit of 'off the cuff' rugby.
I think long term he'll become a similar style of player to Sean Long and will have a runner at the side of him but he doesn't need those pressure of organising at the moment.
A player like Orford would go well alongside him imo.'"
That's where it's going to workout well with Briers and Myler. I agree that somebody in that vein would be ideal for Tomkins.
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| Quote ="Mark"How did I have a crafty pop? Just stating fact.'"
No you didn't, you stated an opinion. And I doubt you've seen enough of Tomkins, or even Myler, to have an informed opinion.
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| I've only seen Tomkins have one good game, seen Myler have plenty.
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| Quote ="Mark"I've only seen Tomkins have one good game, seen Myler have plenty.'"
In which case you've hardly seen Sam play at all, or you're telling big porky pies. I suspect the latter, because for some reason - don't know what it could be (Wire?) - I don't believe you've seen much of Myler either.
Conversation ends - because that's all your silly bit of trolling was worth.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"In which case you've hardly seen Sam play at all, or you're telling big porky pies. I suspect the latter, because for some reason - don't know what it could be (Wire?) - I don't believe you've seen much of Myler either.
Conversation ends - because that's all your silly bit of trolling was worth.'"
I've seen quite alot of Myler, Brother lives in Sale so attend the odd game, and Salford were very prominent on SKY's National league coverage last year, the games Tomkins has been on SKY this year must be 5 or 6, he's looked average, with the exception of the HKR when he was a cut above, just because somebody says something you don't agree with doesn't mean he is trolling...grow up.
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| Quote ="Mark"I've only seen Tomkins have one good game, seen Myler have plenty.'"
You've got the old rod out and baited the hook there
Tomkins has played this season if fits and starts, coming off the bench in the majority of his games and missing out all together in others. He's done some superb things in the vast majority of his games but it's hard to say he's strung fantastic preformence after fantastic preformence together because he's not playing the full 80. He's doing his stuff in small flashes.
On the other hand Myler is getting 80 minutes under his belt every week and is 'THE' bg fish in a small pond at Salford, with a licence to try things and play his own game. He's been very good aswell and it is easier to judge him overall because he plays full games and lots of them.
Overall i wouldn't honestly say theres that much between them. Myler has been playing first team rugby 12months longer then Sam and maybe that shows at times but Sam is doing an unbelievable job for a guy in his debut season.
One thing he has over Myler without doubt is the fact that he can defend very well. That does seem a problem for Myler.
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| Quote ="Mark"I've seen quite alot of Myler, Brother lives in Sale so attend the odd game, and Salford were very prominent on SKY's National league coverage last year, the games Tomkins has been on SKY this year must be 5 or 6, he's looked average, with the exception of the HKR when he was a cut above, just because somebody says something you don't agree with doesn't mean he is trolling...grow up.'"
Surely as a Wire fan you saw him rip your team apart in the pre-season game at the HJ? Did he look avarage to you then too? Or are you just the usual part-time Wire fan who comes on here and spouts nonsense?
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"Surely as a Wire fan you saw him rip your team apart in the pre-season game at the HJ? Did he look avarage to you then too? Or are you just the usual part-time Wire fan who comes on here and spouts nonsense?'"
Bingo!
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| Quote ="Mark"I've seen quite alot of Myler, Brother lives in Sale so attend the odd game, and Salford were very prominent on SKY's National league coverage last year, the games Tomkins has been on SKY this year must be 5 or 6, he's looked average, with the exception of the HKR when he was a cut above, just because somebody says something you don't agree with doesn't mean he is trolling...grow up.'"
and thats where your arguement falls apart
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| Quote ="[Gareth"and thats where your arguement falls apart'"
Exactly. Imagine Sam playing against that standard of opposition.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Exactly. Imagine Sam playing against that standard of opposition.'"
i can see his point as Myler is a good player but to compare his performances in a lower league against Sam's in SL is misguided to say the least
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