Don't waste your energy mate. The Kipper is just a WUM and not even a good one. The fact is anybody we bring in has to be better than the player currently occupying their position or it's a step back. We lost recent games because of our poor defence, not because of our kicking!

you sir are on a wind-up. he may be the size of piggy riddell but he is nowhere near as good

pitty other people have not seen it that way. I was torn between mentioning Owens or Jordan Turner. Turner has kicked more goals than Blake Green, and in another thread I was reading, we are short in the centres and would solve our centre issues



In all seriousness we do have kickers, but injuries happen and there are no players out there who are available who can kick and are also better than what we have got. So its about using the resources we have and improving the skills of current players, pitty Paul Deacon cant spare a few hours

But today we won because we kicked out goals.

Exactly, and we did it by having an existing player raise his kicking standard, rather than sign someone just for their kicking.

BINGO!!!!!

Exactly, and if we had done the same in other games we would have won at least 3 or 4 of them over the last few months, but hey, according to one or two from the other week , kicking isn't important and kicking doesn't win or lose games

Which 3/4 games did we lose due to goal kicking? The only game that comes to mind was the Warrington game and it wasn't a gimee that was missed at the end and he kicked one from the touchline earlier in the game.
If Williams had of missed some of those touch line kicks I wouldn't have blamed the loss on kicks, you can't expect a 100% conversion rate.

There's no "3 or 4 games" because he's talking sh*t. The Warrington game we got the exact same number of goals as them, 3 conversions and a penalty. So if he's saying that we should have won by getting that extra goal then you have to apply the same logic to Warrington, so it still would have been a draw.

The St. Helens game they outscored us 4 tries to 3 so no arguments there.

Wakefield game, the maximum points we could've had with added conversions is 36 so we were well beaten either way.

Against Hull it would also have been 36 points so once again not enough to surpass their 39 points.

And against Leigh it would've been 50-42 if we got every kick.

So point proven really, kicking hasn't cost us at all, more like shocking defence over the past month. The Wane-out brigade will have to make up another story now.

Raising his standard to one he's never even hinted at during a professional game.

If Williams can become an 75-80% goal kicker it'll add another £100k onto his NRL transfer fee in a couple of years.

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Just as Frano Botica and Pat Richards both did, to name but two.

We would have won at Saints If we had taken the 2 kickable penaltys instead of running them .

You can't blame not kicking 100% on a loss.

you can when those kicks would have given us enough points to win

A reliable kicker gives confidence to the rest of the team, otherwise you know that you are always at a disadvantage. I am not suggesting getting rid and buying a kicker but making sure that everyone practises is not unreasonable.

But we didn't take them. Pointless argument.

It's never, ever the goal kickers fault if a team loses. Missed tackles, dropped ball, pointless penalties are all more significant reason for a loss and in all the games we've lost, all of the above were far too prevalent in our performance!

Pretty much this,the kicking has been terrible and made the side look like it didnt really know what it was doing.

How can it be a pointless argument when if we had kicked the goals we would have won.

"How can it be a pointless argument when if we had kicked the goals we would have won."

It is a pointless argument, i may as well say that Saints for instance would have done a short kick off after each of those goals and scored a try from it. If something has not happened you cannot know how things would have panned out.

Saved me a job, cheers

Hull against Castleford last Sunday kicked for goal at every opportunity looking at the score line they may have lost both teams 4 tries apiece Hull took 4 penalties in front of sticks and won with them .Graham Murray when he was Wigan coach he's tactics was take the 2 whenever possible .