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| We should all vote for the same Wiganer so at least one of them gets it!
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"www.code13rugbyleague.com/2011/11/05/rfl-unveil-longlist-for-wembley-statue/
Hopefully one of the former Wigan players will be chosen.
My vote goes to Ellery.'"
IMO ellery Hanley should be the one. He's a true legend of the sport and has worldwide respect.
He's got a link with Wembley having played there many times with Wigan, GB and if I recall correctly coached GB to a win over the Aussies at Wembley.
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"Jim Sullivan ,if not him then Hanley who is still the most recognised name for people who are not involved with the game'"
I too am surprised Jim Sullivans name isn't in there, why the eck is Jonathon Davies' name in it? I wouldn't vote for Shaun Edwards as much as i loved him when he played for us he is really a Rugby Union man now, my vote would be Ellery Hanley.
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| Quote ="Sunshine state"I too am surprised Jim Sullivans name isn't in there, why the eck is Jonathon Davies' name in it? I wouldn't vote for Shaun Edwards as much as i loved him when he played for us he is really a Rugby Union man now, my vote would be Ellery Hanley.'"
I can just picture the ellery Hanley statue. He should have that British coal GB shirt with his stuck up at the front hairstyle.
It would look class!
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| Lance Todd would be fitting.
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| Lance Todd has the MOM named after him
IMO I would have Edwards but his Union connections slightly blemishes his record
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| Quote ="post"Lance Todd has the MOM named after him
IMO I would have Edwards but his Union connections slightly blemishes his record'"
I don't think Edwards deserves it. It's got to be Hanley for me.
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| Lose your wigan bias lads. Sullivan was the first black englishman to captain GB and is spoken of massively by both sides of the Hull divide after playing for both which is no mean feat.
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| Ellery Hanley.
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"Lose your wigan bias lads. Sullivan was the first black englishman to captain GB and is spoken of massively by both sides of the Hull divide after playing for both which is no mean feat.'"
Wigan bias on the Wigan board... hardly a shock. My vote would be Sullivan too.
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"Wigan bias on the Wigan board... hardly a shock. My vote would be Sullivan too.'"
Even as a great fan of Clive Sullivan the player, and the person, I honestly don't think he would be in contention for this honour if he hadn't died a tragic early death.
His Wembley connections are no more than many players and his case seems to be built around captaining England to a 'countback' victory in the 1972 World Cup in front of less than 5000 fans in France!
I am amazed there isn't more of a push for Andy Gregory to be honoured.
Here is a truly great dual Lance Todd Trophy winner who is completely synonymous with Wembley, having never lost in nine visits - an astonishing and unprecedented statistic!
Having never been sent off on the ground and, having never taken up ranks with the sport's enemy, his case demolishes that of Edwards and Hanley!
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| I know the poll is on the RFL website, but I'm struggling to find it. Anyone happen to have a link or directions as to where it is?
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"Lose your wigan bias lads. Sullivan was the first black englishman to captain GB and is spoken of massively by both sides of the Hull divide after playing for both which is no mean feat.'"
There's no Wigan bias in saying that, fine player that Clive Sullivan was, he is not the front runner for this award.
If we take a like for like for instance, Martin Offiah and Billy Boston had better records than Sullivan did.
IMO the shortlist of 10 is too long. There are five names on there that I would discount - Sullivan, Neil and Don Fox, Todd and Davies.
That would leave the voting between Edwards, Hanley, Murphy, Offiah and Boston
I didn't see Murphy or Boston play so for me it has to be between the three Wigan players. A couple of weeks ago I was swaying towards Edwards but now I think Hanley. I think its ridiculous to say Edwards union coaching is a negative, whether he went on to be a top union coach or a taxi driver shouldn't matter, Edwards was a rugby league great.
But I think if we are only allowed to have one statue of a rugby league player then it's hard to look past Hanley. I reckon if you ask rugby league fans who was the greatest player of their time watching rugby league, then 90% of them who saw Hanley play, would choose Hanley and I bet you don't get that from any other player. Even compared to great Aussies like Johns, Fittler, Lockyer, Meninga, I don't think there has ever been a single handedly more influential player than Hanley.
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| Where is the voting form on The RFL site?
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| Quote ="nathancroucher"Where is the voting form on The RFL site?'" www.internationalrugbyleague.net/polls.htm
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"There's no Wigan bias in saying that, fine player that Clive Sullivan was, he is not the front runner for this award.
If we take a like for like for instance, Martin Offiah and Billy Boston had better records than Sullivan did.
IMO the shortlist of 10 is too long. There are five names on there that I would discount - Sullivan, Neil and Don Fox, Todd and Davies.
That would leave the voting between Edwards, Hanley, Murphy, Offiah and Boston
I didn't see Murphy or Boston play so for me it has to be between the three Wigan players. A couple of weeks ago I was swaying towards Edwards but now I think Hanley. I think its ridiculous to say Edwards union coaching is a negative, whether he went on to be a top union coach or a taxi driver shouldn't matter, Edwards was a rugby league great.
But I think if we are only allowed to have one statue of a rugby league player then it's hard to look past Hanley. I reckon if you ask rugby league fans who was the greatest player of their time watching rugby league, then 90% of them who saw Hanley play, would choose Hanley and I bet you don't get that from any other player. Even compared to great Aussies like Johns, Fittler, Lockyer, Meninga, I don't think there has ever been a single handedly more influential player than Hanley.'"
Why would you discount Neil Fox?I would choose Hanley ,but it would be a close run thing beween him or Jim Sullivan or the great Neil Fox who I think is a very worthy candidate
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| Personally I'd go for Hanley because he is the only British player I'd have no hesitation in picking an argument over including in a best 13 based on players I've seen since 1981. Having said that, the NRL champs trophy is more based round an iconic image of the game itself - although I'm not sure what message Don Fox in absolute hell says about RL!
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| Someone mentioned on the VT that it would be a good idea to have the following double sculpture, Martin Offiah & Don Fox.
Both on bended knees / crouched, but for emotions on completely different ends of the spectrum.
THE AGONY AND THE ECSTASY.
Must admit, as it's meant to be a "Wembley statue" I can't think of anything better.
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| Quote ="MattyB"Someone mentioned on the VT that it would be a good idea to have the following double sculpture, Martin Offiah & Don Fox.
Both on bended knees / crouched, but for emotions on completely different ends of the spectrum.
THE AGONY AND THE ECSTASY.
Must admit, as it's meant to be a "Wembley statue" I can't think of anything better.'"
Yes I would lean something like that myself
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"Why would you discount Neil Fox?I would choose Hanley ,but it would be a close run thing beween him or Jim Sullivan or the great Neil Fox who I think is a very worthy candidate'"
In all honesty because I did not see Neil Fox play I am biased towards players of my own era, if older fans would rate Neil Fox up with the ones I said then that's fair enough, I can't argue.
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| Quote ="MattyB"Someone mentioned on the VT that it would be a good idea to have the following double sculpture, Martin Offiah & Don Fox.
Both on bended knees / crouched, but for emotions on completely different ends of the spectrum.
THE AGONY AND THE ECSTASY.
Must admit, as it's meant to be a "Wembley statue" I can't think of anything better.'"
I made a post about this on the Wire board, I am not keen on having one of Don Fox after he missed the kick. He was a great player that has got remembered for that moment which is not really fair, it must have haunted him for his whole career and I'm not sure its appropriate to make that moment the image for which he is captured into stone.
It would be like saying the statue is going to be of Shaun Edwards but the image will be him getting sent off for high tackling Clyde.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"I made a post about this on the Wire board, I am not keen on having one of Don Fox after he missed the kick. He was a great player that has got remembered for that moment which is not really fair, it must have haunted him for his whole career and I'm not sure its appropriate to make that moment the image for which he is captured into stone.
It would be like saying the statue is going to be of Shaun Edwards but the image will be him getting sent off for high tackling Clyde.'"
But surely the double statue would resonate the "complete feelings" of what it means for every player who's appeared in a Rugby League Challenge Cup Final at Wembley? The fact both are situated in an very simlar stance would make it even more symbolic when placed side by side.
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| Quote ="MattyB"But surely the double statue would resonate the "complete feelings" of what it means for every player who's appeared in a Rugby League Challenge Cup Final at Wembley? The fact both are situated in an very simlar stance would make it even more symbolic when placed side by side.
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The agony and the ecstacy. I like it! That epitomises RL at its best. No other sport creates such strong emotions. This option also avoids any particular club bias because it is about the symbolism of the agony and ecstacy rather than a focus on a particular player and his achievements that we would all fail to agree on.
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