Well Roberts Locky and Riddell are still contracted then that you would happily release, for a start, meaning we would have to pay Riddell compensation on 1 years wage Locky and Roberts 2 years.

I am not trying to argue i just think its a very daft statement to make and a totally unrealistic one.

Don't dare call anything I say to be anything daft when I'm on a RL Wigan fan site.

If you don't like my post then shut up and don't bother responding to it.

So basically everyone should stop posting on a thread once you have posted then?

The statement was daft and unrealistic by 2010, also its daft by 2012 given Drew will have retired etc etc etc.

I find it interesting you question others mentality yet throw a hissy fit when someone points out the huge flaws in your line of thought.

Not questioning anyones anything. Some people have creative and developmental comments regarding team line ups etc, others like to argue and pick at comments on here.

Lets look at the players I initially mentioned getting rid of

-Coley
-Riddell
-Fielden
-Mathers
-Phelps
-Bailey

Now lets look at the ages of the players I mentioned coming in:

Aston- early 20s
SBW-Early 20s
Bosc-25 now
Marshall- 23

The prop is a different situation. It's all about the type of prop we need. I could have well have mentioned several other younger props, I was stating the type of prop.

Lets face it, you're only gonna try and pick wholes in it. At least it'll give you something to do with your day other than paint you're 'we hate nobby' banners.

Hey, you're the one who's turning this into an argument. All Jonh did was point out that your suggestion was impractical, and then he gave reasons why.

Even ignoring the contract factor, do you seriously think we could accommodate SBW, Chris Ashton and Tommy Bosc under the cap, and still maintain a healthy sized squad. The first two are on massive money in RU, and Bosc probably soon will be when he goes to RU.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see all of them in cherry and white, but I think you've got to be more realistic.

I;m making it an argument? Sorry didn't know he was your boyfriend, I thought that was another poster.

Picking and calling people names is the basis of an argument. I'm not going to let my opinions be called when they are valid.

Lets face it.. I could pick holes myself and argue my reasons for the team mentions till I'm blue in the face, why I've mentioned SBW, Ashton and Gasiner.
Why I withdrew the likes of Coley etc.

But this will only allow people like you to argue.

So what the point.

You know, silly insults will only get you whizzed - as other posters who can't stand their views being disagreed with have found out in recent times.

But hey, you're right - it's not worth arguing about. You stick to your guns, and I'll stay out of it.

Cheers for that.

Everyone is entitled to there opinion, and yes I'm old enough to recognise the issues with the team I mentioned.

I just feel at times it is difficult to mention a team/point without criticism.
Often i feel people should read-between the lines with issues and not be so quick to point out obvious points when there is a bigger picture.

SBW is unhappy with life in RU, and won't be making a return to the NRL, so SL is an option. Same with Gasnier.
Ashton is also unhappy with life in RU, he's a young Wigan lad so a deal isn't that unquestionable.

I would sooner spend money on an experienced 6 to partner Sam. As well as an experienced, and yes maybe Aussie enforcer prop, hence why I mentioned the names I did. Fielden is on a truck load of money so getting a Sh!thouse aussie class prop and a good UK prop isn't out of the question.
Look at the wire pack.. Morley, Ru'htu, Carvell, Andersons, Higham, Wood, Clarke etc, so it can be done.

I mentioned Brad Drew. He is getting on, but an experienced 9 to work with Tommy for me is something I'd like to see. no.9 is a massive influential role and I want someone who has experience with a turn of pace and knows the game, for example (Brad Drew)

I doubt we will be able to get a world class, centre and prop in the off season as they are three positions in high demand and true world class players cost top dollar so this is what I’d do;

I'd like to see Tomkins given a go at 6 as not only will it solve a problem area but it will solve it cheaply which can only be a bonus. I'd also like Smith to stay and play 7 regularly. He needs to improve his defence but he's still got the potential to be a great player. I just don't see him improving under Noble tho as not many of our players do which is a sad fact. Either way Tomkins needs to game time THIS season so we can judge how he is at this level and we can adjust our recruitment accordingly.

We've got a tough decision to make when it comes to getting a prop. Lynch, imo, is a top player and would add a hell of a lot to our pack but is he the leader we are so desperate for? Is it a better option to get Petro in due to the experience he'll add to the side even he probably won't play as well as Lynch will?

Hopefully both Gasnier and SBW will have another stinker in RU and we can get one of them. SBW would be my first option just because of his age and undoubted ability but I wouldn’t turn my nose up at Gasnier either. We may also have to look at Hape if things don't work out with these two. He'd be a big risk but one we may have to take.

Other than that i think this team is far better than the level it's performing at now. Hopefully we may have a new guy at the helm who can take us to that next level.

Cheered out loud in the library at uni when i saw Sam was in the squad. Thats how desperate its got. Dont think he'll get a game though.

Just a question how old are you?

If anyone disagrees with you or points out the floors you feel its time to get personal.

We have Riddell for 3 years, Drew will be retired by that time.

Just one of the flaws, i could put a team up filled with World Class players past present and future, its about as relevant as posting what you have.

The fact is in key posititons we have players contracted for 3 and 4 years, so regardless of plucking names from the blue beyond unless the cap is going to be abolished in the next 2 years in real terms it counts for nothing.

He will. Pryce & Mathers will miss out.

Sounds about right to me!!

Personally i think sam will get a game this week.

With Mcolorum out banned and with only riddell the only hooker it screams that sam will come off the bench with Tommy going to 9 when Piggy comes off after about 30 mins

i would hope he will be on the bench cos were going have only one hooker untill TL moves there during the game and than he mite get a run out HOPEFULLY.

Yeah because that is realistic!

wouldnt bother speculating on wages ins and outs in the future

i still fail to see how barrett, higham, calderwood leaving add up to riddell and roberts coming in? considering phelps and smith had already joined last season either we broke the cap last year or didnt act in the spirit of the cap by suspending wages?

bar all this a few people have mentioned lately that way back at deanery at start of last season IL said that 2009 would be the year our wage structure would stabilise and he could finally be in total control of signings without the bill being too top heavy - so far so good then?



anywway, i hope sam plays this weekend but just to reiterate my point i heavily doubt he will fix this mess. between him and ainscough we should have some passion but lets not break them with pressure

Barrett's Higham's and Calderwood's salary went on Riddell, Robert, Pryce and upgrades for some of the younger members of the squad, and also probably Phelps and Smith.

In terms of contracts it's quite legitimate to have a contract that at the starts says you get (say) £50k in year 1, £100k in year 2, £150k in year 3, without breaking the cap.

And having stars such as:

Peacock
McGuire
Burrow
Danny B
Webb
Seinfield
Senior

Plus a quality squad of many more realistic? YES. They're called Leeds.

Fact of the matter is when the cap is worked well a team of great players is still very doable.

Remember

Bailey-Big contract
Fielden-Massive contract
plus
Coley
Mathers
Phelps
plus maybe others.

The cap at Wigan still isn't worked well.

24 minutes, 10 seconds, to be precise if we go by Nobbys subs watch or 10 minutes 24 seconds if we go by Piggys stamina watch.

Not fair, the lad wanted to stay on last week.

think the point is this is now IL's squad and our use of the cap seems no better than under Mo.

You've got to remember though that of the Leeds players mentioned 3 have come through the academy system (in key positions, they also had Diskin through the youth system) there and I think Senior was signed pre salary cap if memory serves.

Point I'm trying to make is Leeds had a good spine which enabled them to compliment it with signing the likes of Peacock and Webb etc and enabled them to get rid of the dead wood.

For me Wigan don't have this spine yet but if we're patient I can see Sam Tomkins and Shaun Ainscough coming through to compliment the likes of Hock, Lockers etc which will mean we will have quality players who won't be on massive salaries which will enable us to sign the superstars required to turn it into a championship winning side.

Smith was poor against Castleford. His defence was aweful. Sam Tompkins deserves a chance and might just take it like Ainscough did. And this will also serve to put pressure on Smith who needs to know that unless he performs then Tompkins is ready to replace him.

Senior was signed pre-salary cap? His wages still have to fit into the CAP each season.

Regardless if some of the top players at Leeds were or were not brought through the club they are still top players who will be wanting a good wage.

Are you getting confused with transfer fee and players wages?

Fact remains, when a cap is worked properly you can have a team of stars. As Leeds do.