Well that's Saturday Sorted! We've No F***ing Chance!



Taking that you can't just match player for player (Especially when it comes to bench positions) there'd be 5 Saints players getting into my 17 (At most).

This Michael Maguire must be some coach if he can take a team that's so Bad and win a GF (And I suspect that may be the difference once again on Saturday!).

LOL, uh oh, we are gonna get battered then! Not looking forward to Saturday now.

Someone who couldn't get in your side last year over last seasons top try scorer?

A seriously injury prone unproven youngster over a proven performer (Carmont)?

LMS over Lima? Not even gonna comment on that one.

Soliola over Tomkins? A centre playing at 2nd row who missed most of last season over one of our best players and international 2nd rower?

Wilkin the same as Lockers? WHAT!

And Dixon and Farrell



Blinkers on there pal.

You lost all credibility there. Wellens is the more accomplished FB and has experience on his side. But tomkins is:

Younger
Fitter
Faster
Better ball skills
Better link play
Current young player of the year
Missed out on man of steel by a bugs dick...

I'm not going to even comment on your comparison of Dixon and Farrell, except to say Farrell is going to be an absolute legend.

Now that Pryce is missing, I believe that puts us another point up!

classic!

I'll have what you're on. Have a word with yourself.

Anyone else having flashbacks to that Wakey supporter from last year who did a similar thing comparing his team against ours?

Wellens is a better fullback than tomkins.You mention younger and fitter ,but what about the one on one defence,positional play,ability to read the game and coolness under the high ball .These are all the traits of a great fullback.

I would rather have shenton over gleeson
Meli over Roberts
Price is better than deacon
Eastmond has the potential to be a great the same as your implying about farrell
we havent seen enough of lima to make a judgement .
Roby is a country mile better than mcillorum
Graham is better than anything wigan have.
Soliola has only played a handfull of games in superleague but is a kiwi international and has done it in the nrl.So thats why i am picking him over tomkins who has potential but is a penalty machine.
Wilkin is a good player for saints as i9s oloughlin for wigan so we arent going to agree there.
Clough is a better player than mossop and has the potential to be even better.
Puletua over tuson anyday .
I will accept that farrell has the potential but it is only that .dixon when hes played has been steady for saints.
The rest are too close to call,

Goulding is nothing special, not saying he's bad player but any pro player could have done the same job last season with the game Wigan played.
When you think of great wingers he doesn't even enter my thoughts.

On the Wellens Tomkins debate.

If i could cherry pick any player for the Wire it would be Sam Tomkins BUT at FULLBACK it's Wellens all day long for me. Wellens is a fullback whereas Tomkins is a very good player who is playing at fullback.

I agree, but I'd still rather have him over Gardner.

Yes, haha - I was just about to post that we had a Cas or Wakey fan here last year that did the same sort of thing and was made to look very, very foolish indeed.

Soliola, despite having only managed a handful of SL games last season is definitely better than Joel because he's "a kiwi international and has done it in the nrl" - yet we haven't seen enough of Lima to know whether he's better on paper than McCarthy-Scarsbrook? Give your head a wobble.

Okay rather than call you out on your idiocy, i'll actually question you on the points that I feel need clarifying:

Meli over Roberts:

Why do you feel Francis Meli is a better Winger/Fullback than Amos Roberts? Amos was a front runner for the man of steel for 1/3 of last year, his side step is amazing, he has great awareness and his ability to play either Full Back or Wing are a god send for Wigan. What do you feel Meli has that make him a better player than Amos? Now it's not that he's a Saints player and i'm biased against him, I genuinely would like to know why you feel that.

Eastmond has potential, but Farrell has already shown he is good enough for SL, plus you are comparing Eastmond to a World Cup winning Hooker/Half Back. And we're comparing Farrell to another young English forward, it's hardly the same thing, really.

And Lima...You may not watch the NRL, but I know I do, and I have seen him in pre season and literally, he's looking like he's going to take the league by storm. I'm that certain i've had money on him for Man of Steel. Regardless of what you have seen, Lima is a top class Prop and is light years ahead of LMS, having played international level for many years, whereas LMS has kind of floundered down south, and, really if we think about it, his plaudits have been because he's Southerm.

Roby is a better player now that Mickey Mac, I have no problem with this.

Graham is a World Class player who would walk into our team, again no problem here.

Soliola is a Centre, not a Second Rower, and if you're saying 'We haven't seen enough of Lima' how then can you change your judgement and say well 'Soliola has done it in the NRL'. You can have it one or the other. Joel was in the dream team last year, at Second Row, saying he is one of the top 2 second rowers in the country. He was courted by Cronulla and has recently signed a lengthy contract at Wigan. It's a toss up because, Soliola is a very good player, but so is Joel, but i'd go for Joel because he hasn't just had a year out and is younger.

Sean O'Loughlin is the best loose forward in the country, possibly even the world. He is a tackling machine, has the ball skills of even the most skillful of halfback and has been the backbone of the Wigan side for many many years. Jon Wilkin has done nothing but moan in the press about various things, showing he is a petulant player. He also looks unfit. He is not in the same league as O'Loughlin. It is almost like comparing someone say - Phil Bailey with Paul Sculthorpe. If someone from Wigan did this back in the day, he'd have been laughed out of St Helens.

Clough has More SL experience than Mossop, so probably edges this one, Mossop has ALOT of untapped potential though.

Puletula is a better player than Tuson, no problem here.

Again with Farrell, he is a future Man of Steel and England star, I can't say the same for Dixon, no matter how many SL games each have played.

If you have any sensible reply to that, i'd welcome your opinion.

Shenton>Gleeson?



Wire/Wigan. I'd split us like this.

1. Hodgson
2. Monaghan
3. Gleeson
4. King
5. Richards
6. Tomkins
7. Briers
8. Morley
9. Monaghan
10.Lima
11.Westwood
12.Tomkins
13.O'Loughlin

14.Bridge
15.Leuluai(utility value)
16.Coley
17.Wood


That'd be one hell of a team.

You missed his point completely there. He was saying that Leeds specifically peaked for the business end of the season, rather than just one game. The points you compare there at the end of the season. Compare them to the 20 game point instead, and you might even find that Warrington had more points than any of those Leeds seasons. The reason been that early season form generally means absolutely nothing compared to end of season, so you can afford to drop points.

As a Leeds fan, I'm in agreement that Leeds won't be challenging this season for the big one, I saw it coming 2 years ago, that lack of been proactive to replace players approaching their end would catch up. But those saying they are now in decline and will be nothing in a few years are seriously deluded. I don't think Leeds have been outside the top 6 for more than 3 seasons since Super League began, it might even be 2. So why would they decline to mid table now.

There is still a new batch of youngsters coming through, and of course they will be forced in next 12 months to replace plenty of the aged players, also freeing up plenty cap. So don't get so deluded for future years. You can have your 2011, Wigan and Wire, but it won't be so easy after that.

Gardner is shocking, Just take a look at his try scoring exploits after he stopped getting fallovers from Gidley.

How did peaking at business end go for you last season?

You must have been distraught at how the season turned out last year then.

Who's price?

Wilkin is not in Sean's league

Clough better than Mossop



Dixon's not fit to lace Farrell's boots.

At the end of the day we're Champions your not

hahahahahahahaha...............

If the above was true then I'm struggling to understand why you didn't run away with league last season.

My (and a multitude of others) thoughts also.

That gave me a laugh, untill i realised you may be serious