Hang onto Mathers a little bit longer (assuming you can withstand the number of tries he gifts the opposition) and you'll get both Hodgson AND his zimmer frame.

so it's not you who was twittering mathers then?

Nah, we enjoy Mathers' forward rolls and his backslaps. I thought Morley was supposed to get his 2 years ago? Still destroying your pack 2 years on though.

Only once out of 2 meetings in 2010. I'm sure another set-to, possibly a decider, will come around before the end of this year.

So Mathers was so good you replaced him with a 33 year old after not much more than a year.



To be honest I'm surprised Wigan haven't been taken to court for daylight robbery.

Wigan------->Wire------->Cas------->?

Odd definition of "improvement".

S!

Personally I think we'd be better served leaving him where he is should that be the case. Hull KR will be battling for as high a league position as possible for the playoffs so they will have the bigger games coming up for us. I doubt we'll rest anybody anyway even after the hub cap is sealed, unless they're carrying a knock. Momentum is always a huge factor going into the playoffs

Moz was immense in the first game, the mercurial Tomkins was the difference then.

Doubt that, you gave us alot of money for a washed up centre and gave us a fullback that we needed. We had Bridge to take Gleeson's Warrington and England place. Great deal for us.

I sincerely doubt anyone 'needs' a fullback like Mathers.

Bollocks to Mathers, this is about Charnley and how poor he is

Quote ="Mark"Doubt that, you gave us alot of money for a washed up centre and gave us a fullback that we needed. We had Bridge to take Gleeson's Warrington and England place. Great deal for us.'" That washed up is not doing to bad this season is he compared to his new super replacement. And with the way he is playing just now he could just get another England call up at the end of the year along with one or two of his team mates. Gleeson V Bridge stats www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010

Quote ="Mark"Doubt that, you gave us alot of money for a washed up centre and gave us a fullback that we needed. We had Bridge to take Gleeson's Warrington and England place. Great deal for us.'" That washed up is not doing to bad this season is he compared to his new super replacement. And with the way he is playing just now he could just get another England call up at the end of the year along with one or two of his team mates. Gleeson V Bridge stats www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010

Josh is the long term replacement for Carmont he is a great young player

Quote ="Andy Greg"That washed up Centre is not doing to bad this season is he compared to his new super replacement. And with the way he is playing just now he could just get another England call up at the end of the year along with one or two of his team mates. Gleeson V Bridge stats www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010'" 18 tries/assists combined in 17 games > 13 tries/assists combined in 21 games. So in a nutshell Bridge mickeys allover him.

Quote ="Andy Greg"That washed up Centre is not doing to bad this season is he compared to his new super replacement. And with the way he is playing just now he could just get another England call up at the end of the year along with one or two of his team mates. Gleeson V Bridge stats www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010'" 18 tries/assists combined in 17 games > 13 tries/assists combined in 21 games. So in a nutshell Bridge mickeys allover him.

Well there you go thats makes him top the rest dont matter meters made tackle busts, Offloads Oh well Bridge must be best (well there is one he is better then Gleeson at and thats getting injured)

Just add up the tries scored outside each winger this season.

Gleeson doesn't look washed up at Wigan - obviously we must have better coaching staff who can get the best out of players.

We had the tea lady to take Mathers place so we improved in that area as well.

yawn yawn Wire troll has to derail a topic yet again that has nothing to do with Wire shock. Gleeson has been great this year and had an excellent game on Friday night, why you had to be so predictable and bring up Mathers winning something last year I have no idea because he's still a liability and will continue to do so no matter at which club he's at. If he's that great why aren't you keeping him? Gleeson is still contracted for next season. Having said that I'd be more than happy to see Charnley get a few chances next year whether its for us or continue his spell with KR, either way he has a bright future ahead of him and it will be with the Wigan club.

To be honest, only someone who doesn't understand the game would argue that Gleeson has been a poor buy for Wigan.

He had his brief brainfart moment earlier in the season, for which he paid his dues. But otherwise, he's been good to excellent in Wigan colours. He's tackled very strongly, shoring up a three-quarter line that looked suspect in defence in previous years, and his quality centre play has fitted in very well with Mike Maguires 'fast ball to the wings' style. All the lads who've appeared on the Wigan wings this year have scored pots and pots of tries, and Martin Gleeson has played a very full part in this. If the England mob want to ignore him, that's fine by me. It keeps him all the fresher for us.

When you consider that, in part-exchange, we managed to unload Richie Mathers, who has been extraordinarily poor in most of the Wire matches I've seen televised, we did an excellent bit of business. Even against Saints last weekend, when Wire gave what was generally a very good performance, I heard Mathers named at least once for a knock-on that led to a Saints try. Wire fans trying to argue that the opposite is true are either plain stupid or just trying to make the best of a bad job (and not succeeding).

A watertight post that sums up the situation perfectly.

Regards Charnley he seems to be a very exciting prospect that I feel should be loaned out next year but with a weeks recall notice should we have any injuries to our starting centres as he for me on his current showing he has earned the right to be considered as our first back up centre for 2011, and if he continues to perform has earned the right to take Georges shirt outright in 2012.

I don't think we will have a problem loaning him out. Hull KR will have him and if they won't have him, Crusaders, Salford, Cas, Wakey, Quins.... would be stupid not to take him on.

How did a "wire troll" derial it? I was praising Charnley and the club if you cared to read the initial post. As for replacing Gleeson, Charnley has been playing right centre hasn't he? It was a Wigan fan who then turned it into a dick measuring contest and started abusing Mathers. I even joked about his comedy forward rolls, he fulfilled a purpose in a position we had a need for. Would be a good idea to get your facts right first instead of having a pop for no reason.

Rubbish, you knew by bringing Gleeson into the topic that it would start the whole Mathers/Gleeson dispute in which you carried on posting further on about it and brought up the whole boring issue of him having a challenge cup winners medal. Charnley has been playing right centre but his main position is wing, only reason why Hull KR haven't used him as a winger is because that isn't where they have an injury crisis currently.

Only because all our centres and some wingers are out injured, otherwise he would of been sat doing naff all in your reserves - shouldnt you be loaning more of your players out to gain experience and show how good they are?

I for one would only play him until we have our players back, would rather give our players the experience of another season of playoff rugby, then your youngsters.