As is typical when a little bit of hypocrisy is pointed out the subject is changed. You know very well what the points of my post was. Much easier to have a sanctimonious pop at someone else than address the points raised isn't it? No one is fooled by that either.

Do you disagree the majority this board used to slag Calderwood off with no mention of the fact we always go to the left?

Do you disagree when people pointed out he received little ball people said he didn't go looking for work and should create his own opportunities,, therefore he was not the winger for us?

Well in case your memory conveniently fails you again, that is exactly what happend.

Now we have suddenly become such a left sided team it appears having a right winger who is ineffective is OK. It wasn't when Calderwood was here but it is now. The tune has changed and it must be a great revelation we are a left sided team because it was never mentioned with respect to Calderwood and has only become fashionable as people seek excuses for Roberts.

Why is that the case? Why is Roberts immune from the criticisms Calderwood got? Wigan turning good players bad is no answer because I am on about the different reactions of the fans, but you knew that anyway.

Roberts has done nothing to warrant the leniency he is getting on this board except get on a plane.

Dave

And Roberts gets caught when he makes a break. He simply isn't the player he was cracked up to be but for some reason people seek excuses for him that were never dreamt of previously.

Dave

Phelps is 24. Older than Thomas Leuluai...

Interesting that Briscoe has stated he would like to come back to Wigan one day.

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I wasn't changing the subject.

I made the original point that it was too simple just to say that Roberts is crap. You then went off on one, saying that people didn't allow Calderwood the same latitude. Though I objected to your tone, I basically agreed with you that Calderwood was a victim of the same system.

But if what you're really complaining about is people's hypocrasy ... who the hell are these 'people'? If you mean the people who post on this message board, they probably represent less than 1% of Wigan fans. So why get so excited about it? Or is proving that you know more than most other posters a big thing for you? If so, it isn't much of an ambition.

Why have we suddenly become a left-sided team? I'd prefer you gave it some thought rather than flew in the face of a common perception by denying that it's happening. Personally, I don't understand why it is. Maybe someone with technical know-how can enlighten me, but the evidence is pretty undeniable.

You want my opinion, Dave, you have hobby-horse issues, and it's doing you no good. Mickey Higham is one, Ainscough another (and Roberts is clearly a hang-over from the latter). You used to be an interesting poster, but the more you dwell on these past injustices, the more irascible you seem to become if you even suspect that someone disagrees with you.

And take some advice, this pickng people's opinions apart para by para - even if you're right, it casts you as the teacher (and a boring one at that) and them as the pupil, and it's hardly likely to warm folk to your views.

And that's all. Have go back by all means, but I'm not getting into another day-long slanging match because you lost your temper. Again.

It's a theory that's never been tested.

So...play Ainscough on the right, and see what happens...

(I think he's played a fair bit of his second team rugby on the right...might even be his own preferrred option?)

Havent read what has been said in the previous pages but I hope that the person who said Carmont should be not be playing next year, will re-assess his silly statement

He played on the right wing for the Reserves on Sunday.

In my view we have not just become a left sided team this year. I think this has been coming for a few years now. Certainly for all the time Calderwood was here. He was helped a little when Barratt was around as we did use the right side a little more but not greatly so. When Carney was here we didn't seem to have that problem.

Talking about Carney reminded me that when he saw an opportunity he pinned his ears back and went for it, to great effect. Roberts does go for the gap when he sees one and has finished off moves which have needed finishing, if you get what I mean. Calderwoods problem was that he wasn't getting many opportunities but IMO those he did get he didn't seem to have the confidence to go for them, and as somebody has mentioned previously he would cut inside to the waiting arms of the cover defence.

So Reberts has it for me over Calderwood although he has some way to go to match Carney at his prime.

Believe it's his natural side.

Go back to bed if your tired Mr Kenny !

and yes i am a scouser and yes i support Wigan but comments like yours to somebody who is not actually trolling for a change and is actually showing an interest on another teams forum proves your a t#t !

so roberts need to get his figer out sharpish to come anywhere close to JR and BD, ane he wont get anywhere near chariots, so hes never going to be a wigan "great" unless he scores about 200 tries during rest of his contract.

You couln't be more right. Fact is it chould be pat getting the "your standing in the way of the chosen one" hostility, but he doesn't, even though Ainy plays on his side, but nnnaahhh it's all Roberts fault.

Oh, and Nobles

Theres a reason why Richards doesnt get the hostility though. Well 3 that I can think of straight off the top of my head...

1. He has an 80% scoring record this season, second only to Ainscough and way above Roberts. Therefore common sense says critisise Roberts before Richards.

2. Richards is our Kicker and makes up for the difference in tries scored by Ainscough through Goals.

3. Richards can defend very solidly and doesnt have a defensive risk acting against very good scoring record.

This is being more complicated than it needs to be.

For us to go overseas and spend so much money on a winger, he should be and absolute world beater. He could still come good, but his performances have not been good enough. I am not in favour of playing Ainscough every game like some people say but I would be happy to drop Roberts and play Ainscough for a week or two. Roberts has been dodgy in defence just like Ainscough.

Yes exactly.
Suggesting to drop Roberts doesnt nessesarily mean writing him off and not seeing him again for his next 3 years. It just means using Ainscough for a few weeks instead and having a bit of change for a while.

Has everyone forgot when Calderwood and Richards kept Dallas out of the team for a few weeks? Doesnt mean everyone hated Dallas, but at the time everyone was happy that the 2 form players were being played in favour of the older more experienced Aussie.

I think most peoples problem though is that he was dropped when he was playing well and confident. Maybe if he came back in the team now he would not do as well.

Well who will know unless he gets another chance.

People said Tomkins wouldnt last in super league this season because hes too small and after seeing him play no-one is in any doubt.

I know Ainscoughs situation is different but the point Im trying to make is surprises happen.

I personally feel absolutely gutted for Ainscough, yeah he has slight weaknesses in defence but so does Roberts, I just feel that Ainscough with his runs infield adds more to the team than Amos.

He should of played in the Celtic game along with Tomkins IMO. I said that before the game btw.

Cripes, I thought he was only 21/22.

What an awful signing

He has major weaknesses in defence, I think taking him out of the firing line for a while and getting him decent coaching is the best thing for him.

Whether or not he's getting that coaching is another matter...

Its those darting runs that I want to see Ainscough given a chance for. When he takes the ball in with some venom, hes always ready to step and keeps his legs driving, thats why he made so many breaks, rather than giving up as the man gets to him. aswell he has that bravery to go down the line and try to hold players off with a fend.

For me I didn't think Ainscough's defence was a major problem until Mick Potter said they would pepper him in Edinburgh and Noble refused to back him despite him scoring 4 the previous week at Wakefield. That just shattered his confidence and he hasn't been the same player since in either Reserve or First team. It told him and everyone else that he has a problem that I didn't at the time think was a major issue. Bad coaching for me.

If your going to drop players for poor defence why is Tim Smith still playing? His defence has been ten times worse than Ainscough's with 17 times worse return in attack!

Spot on

Before Murrayfield very little was made about Ainscough's defence but when Potter pointed it out it was blown way out of proportion IMO

Saying that I still don't think he's ready to play full time in the first team just yet.