That's what I think should happen aswell.

How is he overrated? Show me a player at 22 who is as good as Dobbo is at SH? I’d kill for a player with not only his organisational skills but his kicking at Wigan.

People rave about Eastmond, Tomkins & Myler being future stars but yet Dobbo is only 22 and is already one of the top HB in the league. Dobbo when he came over to us at 19 was a far, far better player than Myler and Tomkins are now imo

Quite. Was his defence always suspect? Genuine question as the ozzies seem to rate defence higher than we do

Dobson at SH allowing Tommy to move to interchange hooker would improve us greatly, don't think anyone can argue with that

I honestly can't see how he could ever have won a pro contract if it has always been as bad as it is now.

I'd rather have Bosc who we could probably get on less dosh and wouldn't count on the quota meaning we could get an Aussie prop.

Wasted off the bench. How many SL clubs would put a World Cup winner on the bench?

IMO we should be looking to offload Phelps, Smith, Coley and 1 of Bailey or Hansen.

Phelps, Smith and Coley offer little and were over loaded with backrowers and theres little to choose between them with Mossop coming through aswell.

In a quality 6, so we got Tomkins, Tommy new 6 to cover HBs plus Tommy to cover hooker.

An animal prop to come in and personally id maybe even go for another prop ready to replace Fielden who wont be kept on or given less terms at best for him. This should give us cash aside to improve contracts of Tomkins x 2 Ainscough Prescott McIlloram etc who are hopefully going to develop into the new spine for the future.

Guess Roby is wasted off the bench 2 then? How many teams would put a MOS winner on the bench?

If Tommy wants to be an international hooker, which is his best position, he's gonna have to spend some time on the bench even when playing for NZ.

There are very, very few top class hookers who play the full 80 mins apart from maybe Smith.

The question should be if Tommy starts over Riddell or at nine or not.

The thing is Tommy already plays the full 80 mins so he surely could manage it at 9 like Smith does.

But you can never ignore the matter of what happens to McIllorum in these plans to make Tommy the 2nd hooker?

Guess harsh as it seems he'd have to either go out on loan or leave. If it's a choice betwen Tommy & Dobbo or Tommy & Mcilorum it's a no starter as both are still young

I wont pretend to know the INS and OUTS of the Dobson to the UK deal. I do remember Dave Furner? Refusing to sell him to Wigan. Don't see where the change has come from but I am presuming that he failed in Aus rather than poached by a super league club that could offer him a lot more money than he could get in Australia. Either way it is irrelevant what he has done/not done in Australia - we should only be looking how he copes with super league and evidently he has been Hull KR's best player.

He might be poached by an Australian club your right but he equally might not. Plus for him to go back to Australia he would have to have that desire because the Aussie clubs wont offer him what we super league clubs offer him. Why? Because we don't produce many quality halfbacks and the Aussies do. I don't see many other long term solutions in the UK to build a team around. Danny Brough , Richie Myler? Would you take either of them over Tommy? The quality just isn't there in Britain and that is why we have to look overseas. Now I think there is always a risk in every transfer you do. George Carmont was a stop gap signing who proved to be brilliant. Richie Mathers and Tim Smith were risks and people will question whether they were a risk worth taking. Jamie Lyon was for Stains and look how he turned out. It is part of the game. But I would say that the potential to get more out of Dobson than Matt Orford or any other halfback in the NRL is a cert and that signing Dobson would give us more chance to build a team around him and Tomkins - long term - than Matt Orford or Darren Lockyer for example.

I can't convince you to change your opinion of Dobson but you only have to look at the two players statistics to tell you who is the better player in terms of playing at scrum half. Wayne Bennett and Kearney rated Leuluai as a hooker rather than a scrum half. I think most Wigan fans would agree Tommy's best performances have been when he has played at hooker. He has the characteristics of one. Another way to look at it is the performances of the two players when they faced each other last season. Michael Dobson tore Wigan apart for Hull KR last season and scored four tries. Maybe I do have fond memories of Michael Dobson and perhaps harping on about his past performances are not the right way to judge a player but if you compare the statistics of the two players this eyar - Dobson is considerably better. My plans would be to keep Thomas Leuluai because he is a talented player and but move him to hooker and move for Dobson at scrum half.

Why? If it so funny back up your remarks.

I can't recall what I posted last week, never mind a few months ago! However, whoever posted it [iwas[/i factually correct.

I only see James Roby, James Graham, Sam Burgess, Joe Westerman, Matt Gidley, Brent Webb play when they play against Wigan or are on the tv. But I know from their performances they are much better than what we have.

How else do you suggest judging them? or better still how do you see them?

Or is every player in super league overrated?

Roby is an impact hooker and is one of the best in the World at what he does. That said, whenever KC leaves he will be their starting hooker. Like B_B said, it's all about opinion and personally, I would be disappointed if we shipped out McIlorum to put Leuluai on the bench and Dobson at 7.

Unless you watch Thomas Bosc week in week out I would call you a hypocrite.

Only Hull KR fans and some Wigan fans rate Dobson. Never hear anyone else raving about him do you?

What position did Tommy win his medal in?

And what position are we playing him in now?

Exactly.

Does that mean that they are right? Just because they are not writing about him on every forum.

So you are basing your argument on why we shouldn't sign Dobson based on the fact not everyone is talking about him.

Fair enough.

Why? Bosc is an International was close to being in the dream team last year. Goalkicker, doesn't count on the quota which is a big point. Like I've already said, I'd prefer to sign a SO and put Sam at SH if we're going to put Leuluai at hooker.

He plays a different position every week. I feel for the lad because one week he plays 80 minutes at SH, the next he plays 40 minutes at SH then 40 at Hooker, the next he might play 60 minutes at SH, 20 minutes at Hooker, etc. Noble needs to make his mind up.

When TL goes to 9 he can be as good as Piggy although sometimes Riddell can put out some great passes which TL doen't seem to do.
Just think that the outs will be -
Smith, Phelps, Coley, Bailey & TL.
Ins two props and a half back all of real quality.

Because you have said in response to some rating Dobson:

[iHow many times have you seen Dobson play since he left Wigan. I bet you could count the number on one hand. Everyone on here loves him just by looking at his stats on the SL site. Very overrated.
[/i

And then said this about Bosc:

[iI'd rather have Bosc who we could probably get on less dosh and wouldn't count on the quota meaning we could get an Aussie prop[/i.

So I am pressuming you will have only seen Bosc play the same amount of times as the person who rated Dobson play and yet you have ridiculed someone for making their judgement of a player based on that and yet you have come to the same conclusion of Thomas Bosc based on the amount of games you have seen him. What is the difference?



Name another French halfback. Wayne Kerr of London Skolars in an international. Our international game has little credibility.



Dobson is a goal kicker as well. Bosc is a good player and one I rate however he has been very quiet this season compared to last and I think Dobson offers more than Bosc.

[urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=2420&hs2=2009&hp2=2279&stat=tries&season=2009[/url

The stats seem to back me on this one.



I wouldn't prefer this, I would prefer Michael Dobson. (Somehow you might have guessed this

) but what you have said there is most likely the most realistic option because Dobson is contracted at Hull KR till 2010 and they would be mad to sell him.



Not quite the point I was getting at but I agree.

Bosc or Dodson both would add to our 13.

Tommy is a quality hooker, outplayed Cam Smith in the WC final, but wasn't making any head way as a 7. This has to tell you something.

NZ identified the issue resulting in Tommy being a big factor in why NZ won the WC as a 9.

He's an OK SH, and a great 9. He's playing at 7 cos there's no one else. Smith has been poor and Sam's playing 6.

Poor state of affairs how people are playing certain positions cos there's no one else who can play there, similar to how Bailey was playing in the centres.