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| Quote ="ABP'"Eh? Tomkins isn't international class, but he's in your international side?'"
To be fair to BrisbaneRhino being international class and being England's best option isn't always the same thing. Look at our options in the three-quarters for crying out loud. How many genuine international-class wingers and centres do we realistically have?
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| Quote ="dirtbag83"To be fair to BrisbaneRhino being international class and being England's best option isn't always the same thing. Look at our options in the three-quarters for crying out loud. How many genuine international-class wingers and centres do we realistically have?'"
Bear in mind that BrisbaneRhino is peeved at Sam because people are talking about him in the same terms as Aussie wonder boy Widdop.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Bear in mind that BrisbaneRhino is peeved at Sam because people are talking about him in the same terms as Aussie wonder boy Widdop.'"
Tomkins would be sensational in the NRL - he's a terrific player.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Bear in mind that BrisbaneRhino is peeved at Sam because people are talking about him in the same terms as Aussie wonder boy Widdop.'"
I wasn't saying that Sam isn't already a world-class player. I think he can do things on a rugby field that no one else playing the game can because of his athletic ability. I was just saying that being a starter in the England team doesn't automatically make you international class. I suppose it depends on how your judging these things really but having international rep. honours and being international quality aren't the same thing IMO
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| Quote ="dirtbag83"I wasn't saying that Sam isn't already a world-class player. I think he can do things on a rugby field that no one else playing the game can because of his athletic ability. I was just saying that being a starter in the England team doesn't automatically make you international class. I suppose it depends on how your judging these things really but having international rep. honours and being international quality aren't the same thing IMO'"
I don't disagree with you. But I bet it's a long time since any Aussie proclaimed any British player to be 'international class'.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"I don't disagree with you. But I bet it's a long time since any Aussie proclaimed any British player to be 'international class'.'"
Gordon Tallis said that Sam Burgess was good enough to play for Australia earlier this year. Flattering and arrogant in equal measure. The suggestion that no other English player was good enough was there
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| Quote ="dirtbag83"Gordon Tallis said that Sam Burgess was good enough to play for Australia earlier this year. Flattering and arrogant in equal measure. The suggestion that no other English player was good enough was there'"
Compliment if ive ever heard one in the direction of Burgess.
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| Quote ="Coventry Warrior!"I agree he is nowhere near the finished article, but how frightening is that?!'"
That is applicable to all the aforementioned players. I can see Eastmond developing into a traditional scrum half ie; playing a lateral passing game. Tomkins looks all the world a traditional stand off, attacking the line, playing a short passing game at the line.
Myler really could go either way at this point in time.
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| Quote ="dirtbag83"I wasn't saying that Sam isn't already a world-class player. I think he can do things on a rugby field that no one else playing the game can because of his athletic ability. I was just saying that being a starter in the England team doesn't automatically make you international class. I suppose it depends on how your judging these things really but having international rep. honours and being international quality aren't the same thing IMO'"
I agree with you that all the players in the England squad aren't all necessarily quality. But that's not Sam's fault that England aren't good enough. If England were close to being highly competitive with the Aussies then I still think he would be a star player.
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| From what i've seen of both of them they are both top class youngsters who probably have a fair bit of improvment left in them. They are difficult to compare as they play different positions, i just hope they can learn to play together in an England jersey. You could say Sam shades it at the moment but that is mainly because he has played all year where Kyle has missed a fair chunk of it. One thing is for sure they are both currently streets ahead of Myler and, if fit should be 6 and 7 in the four nations.
We still wont win due to lack of international quality three quarters
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Myler wouldn't figure in my side and nor would Widdop.
1 Tomkins
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I know McGuire has had a couple of bad games internationally, but he's had a few good ones too and is having a great season. Tomkins looks very dangerous indeed at full back and has more big match experience than Widdop.
Myler would be in my squad but wouldn't play unless 2 of Widdop/Tomkins/McGuire/Eastmond were injured.'"
I would go with this too
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| I haven't seen enough of Widdop to make a sound judgement on him. One game for England against a depleted France team in Leigh isn't enough to convince me. I'm sure he'll be around the squad after everyone making such a fuss about him but he's not played enough first grade rugby to be ready for a Four Nations tournament IMO. Plus having three 20-21 year olds with a handful of caps between them as your three attacking pivots would be a massive gamble
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| It might be a gamble but it must be worth taking, all the "experienced" players in those positons have been given a go and have been found lacking so why not try younger players - how else are they to get experience. Also I suspect we will see the likes of Sinfield, Roby and probably Lockers in the squad/team - plenty of experience there - they will need to be the on-field leaders and help the younger players.
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| Sam tomkins is better than Eastmond and Myler.
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| Quote ="loyal18"Sam tomkins is better than Eastmond and Myler.'"
Myler yes I agree with that but Eastmond don't agree.
I would say Eastmond and Tomkins are both on a par both are very talented players with a hell of a lot of potential to go far in the game.
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| Eastmond started the season on fire and at that point in time was looking superb. However injury's have taken there tole on Kyle, and in the mean time after a slow start to the season Tomkins has really kicked on and he's playing his best Rugby so far.
It'll never happen at club level, or I doubt it will, but could you imagine just how dangerous Sam and Kyle would be behind a dominant pack playing together.
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| Quote ="cjhatesunion"Myler yes I agree with that but Eastmond don't agree.
I would say Eastmond and Tomkins are both on a par both are very talented players with a hell of a lot of potential to go far in the game.'"
They are both miles ahead of Myler but even without my cherry and white tinted glasses on I honestly believe Tomkins is the better all round player. I think Eastmond and Tomkins have similar potential but I think Eastmond has further to go than Sam as it stands.
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| I put them both level talent-wise at the start of this season but Eastmond looked to be ahead of Tomkins physically. He just looked a more mature athlete at the time but as we've seen this year Sam is no shrinking violet in contact and is well capable of stepping out of tackles and pushing off blokes far bigger than him. Tomkins may have moved slightly ahead of Eastmond now solely due to having a full, injury-free season under his belt. We'll just have to see what kind of form Eastmond carries into the playoffs to see how they both compare now
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| I'd put them level on talent, but Tomkins has played the whole season with consistently high performances, whereas Eastmonds has been interrupted by injuries. Im sure if he managed a full season i'd consider them equals, but just because of that, Tomkins!
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| Quote ="inside_man"I'd put them level on talent, but Tomkins has played the whole season with consistently high performances, whereas Eastmonds has been interrupted by injuries. Im sure if he managed a full season i'd consider them equals, but just because of that, Tomkins!'"
I think you are right mate,if Eastmond had stayed fit for all this season he would be on a par with Tomkins.
Also let's hope both players stay injury free and play for England in the 4 nations.
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| Quote ="LovesToSpooge"Eastmond started the season on fire and at that point in time was looking superb. However injury's have taken there tole on Kyle, and in the mean time after a slow start to the season Tomkins has really kicked on and he's playing his best Rugby so far.
It'll never happen at club level, or I doubt it will, but could you imagine just how dangerous Sam and Kyle would be behind a dominant pack playing together.
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I agree 100% with all that.
I too thought tomkins had a slow start to the year and in fact thought he'd gone backwards but soon came to life and looks to have improved a hell of alot on last year.
Eastmond started the season on fire but injured his ankle and is now a little off the pace due to his ankle injuries.
These two are both top class players!
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| Quote ="loyal18"Sam tomkins is better than Eastmond and Myler.'"
Why the comparison when they are all quite different from each other?
Was Garry Schofield better than Andy Gregory?
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"Why the comparison when they are all quite different from each other?
Was Garry Schofield better than Andy Gregory?'"
As I said on the Myler thread. England are very lucky to have Tomkins, Eastmond and Myler. All different players, all good young promising players, why opposition fans have to rip into them beggars belief.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"As I said on the Myler thread. England are very lucky to have Tomkins, Eastmond and Myler. All different players, all good young promising players, why opposition fans have to rip into them beggars belief.'"
No games this weekend mate. We have to argue about something!
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| I'd agree playing so many youngsters would be a gamble in the four nations, but it's one well worth taking. They may get beat, but the experience will be invaluable. I say play the promising youngsters at every international opportunity especially against Aus and NZ give them as much experience as possible leading up to the world cup. It's the only way.
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