Would it not be better for Wigan to form a much stronger backroom staff to support Noble rather than completely criticise him?

I can see the point 'jonh' is making but for me Noble is a good coach who has certain faults. If we had a more effective backroom then perhaps we could find a solid partnership in which the players respect and perform well for.

Brian Noble & Ellery Hanley in some capacity at the club could help us move forward.

It was well documented that Carlos Queiroz was a major motivator for Manchester United during their successes in the Premiership last season despite United having Sir Alex Ferguson as manager so the importance of an effective backroom is integral to winning trophies in football and I would assume it is the same principle in any sport, including Rugby League.

I'm not criticising our current staff as I'm sure they do a good job and give hundred percent, but seeing as coaches do not count on the salary cap and as our team is supposedly a team that can challenge for honours this is the most logical step for me IMO.

noble has had 3 years to sort the discipline out and hes still not done it.

The reason for the full back switching was that Richards who had gone to fullback was injured.

Wigan finished the game with only 11 fit players (see tonight W.E.P), which may account for the way we faded in the last twenty minutes.

Now is not the time to be swapping coaches around - the first few weeks were always going to be a bit of a struggle with the new combinations at 6, 7 and 9.

The thing in our favour is that it is not first past the post any longer and dropping 10 games in a season does not necessarily mean that you don't get a shot at being champions - Saints lost 5 out of their first 10 last year, they didn't panic and sack Anderson.

Noble deserves to see at least half the season out imo.

Will he take us any further than that though?

I never suggested that he might pay the kind of money that those coaches might command. Merely, stated what I'd like if/when Noble goes. In an ideal world where money is no object I'd like Edwards, second choice would be Stuart and third Lam. Of the three I think Lam is the most realistic target, I'd love to see him here and I believe he'd do an outstanding job.

I'd also like to be woke up on Monday morning by Charlize Theron, wrapped in a towel, carrying a large suitcase full of tenners. Another unlikely item on my wish list but we all have our dreams.

No i do not where have i ever said that?

Much of the rest of your post is incorrect as well, but everyone is entitled to there opinion.

wouldnt happen

Ellery would want 100% control imo.

Agreed, he seems to have foregotten the whole lot!

It is more likely the abismal fitness levels of our first team why they faded in the last 20.

A prominant local coach was brought in after they got back from lanzarote, and he had them running a very big slag heap in aspull. He couldnt belive how unfit the majority of the squad where! Infact he went as far as to say he has 10 year olds at his club who could have done better.

It is not just noble that is the problem in my opinion, the entire back room staff needs looking at, i blamed forshaw for the lack of fitness last year, and it appears they are in no better condition to me.
Granted he cant do it all by himself, but exactly what qualifications/experience did he have in this field before he decided he wanted to do it?

Just because he was super fit himself, does not mean he can condition an entire team.

I would invest in a new back room team who actually have skills in this area as oppposed to changing the head coach, as i do not belive that

A) Is Lenegan strong enough to sack nobby? I dont think he is from impresions.
B) He wont pay a transfer fee for a prop or standoff (which even stevie wonder can see we need) so why on earth would he pay compensation to another club for a coach! That means we will end up with a out of work coach and how are they going to be better than what we have?

Yes it does. Drop that many games and it says two things.

You start lower down in the play offs and history tells us only one side has won it outside the top 2 (and they were very lucky with injuries to the top 2).

It also tells us the team isn't that good. How do expect a team that drops 10 games to be good enough to win something?

This notion the fact we have a play off system means teams can be crap for a half a season gives a false sense of security to fans and is just an excuse to back poor play and coaching IMO.



That is probably because in the previous season they had seen what he and the team were capable of and was good rugby. The same can't be said about our team and coach. Why do you ignore this obvious and glaring difference?



He has had two and bit seasons already.

Dave

How would you sum up his efforts in those 2 and a half seasons?

who will take us further than that who we can realistically attract?

edwards wants to do the british lions so he wouldnt come yet. and he would cost a bomb to prise away from union where he is so highly rated.

farrell hasnt got the experience and he would go the same way betts did when he was coaching us.

people need to face that nobby is the best coach available at the minute weve done the chopping and changing of coaches over the last few years and look where that got us? nowhere.

the only coach who i think could move wigan on is shaun edwards and we do not stand a chance of getting him yet.

I hope we don't lose 10 matches this year and I agree that a side losing this many games doesn't deserve to be called champions, but it doesn't take away the fact that under the new play off system this year they will have a shot at the final more so than in years gone by.

I was using the Saints analysis to prove a point. Wigan won the Grand Final in 1998, the year after the coach got sacked. They got to grand finals in 2000 and 2001 and the year after both coaches didn't see out the season - my point is that the club and the fans have been too fickle in the past to get rid and this has de stabilised the club.

Granted he has had 2 and a bit years already,during that time the club has changed from top to bottom. Additionally, look at the key positions in the side i.e. 6 and 7 and 9, compare our players with those at Leeds and Saints. Ours is a new partnership for the umpteenth season running theirs are settled and know each other inside out. Get a bit of consistency and the results will come.

Hanley maybe?

Although I agree Edwards would be the best man for the job and it would be difficult to prise him away but not impossible

I am a fan of Noble but just don't see with the style he plays and the players he has how he can take us to the levels of Stains and Leeds

The way he prefers to play 2nd grade aussies than bring through youth is the main bad point about Noble for me

but lenegan also feels this way it isnt just noble at the club who prefers second rate aussies, the only second rate aussie in our squad is bailey and to an extent phelps.

good point about hanley though.

Agreed, but we won't get that kind of stability at half back until we get a British pairing like Leeds and Saints have. Overseas players don't tend to stay more than two or three years then your back at square one. This will definately happen with Tim Smith next year. Tommy may be an exception so it's vital we get Sam Tomkins playing a regular role this season and by the looks of it the sooner the better.

For me Bailey, Phelps and probably Smith are 2nd graders IMO and I would rather see Mossop, Ainscough and S. Tomkins come through

Were you there last night?

Smith is a rare talent, not a 6 mind, but still a classy player.

His defence is lacking but going forward he should if used right have a field day with assists.

I would love him to comitt long term to us, over and above Leuleui, but do not think it will happen.

Bailey and Phelps i have to agree with the poster though.

in your constant bull babbling....

..change the record, we can allsit here and be judgemental, at everything that noble does or doesnt do in your case...do you really think that the problem lies with noble???...goodway, betts, not mentioning MIKE GREGORY as he didnt get enough time unfortunately, millward, and now noble have all had the same problems as the next one has had. To me it stems deeper than the coach, theres a vast majority of the wigan squad who do not want to play with any pride or have any understanding about how passionate our town is for rugby league, look at other clubs in SL they have foreign players, irish, french, scottish etc playing in there sides who put there heart and soul into there game week in week out... we as a club from a playing aspect have forgotten what being wigan is and we have too many ego's flying about in the dressing room...now you can blame the current coach all you want but the top and bottom of it is we have had this problem since we last won superleague, and until it is sorted out we will never move forward as a club, and if it were upto me playing personnels heads would roll, regardless of who they are!!!

I have no direct contact with Wigan nor do i get any inside info on the club. I know nobody associated with the club, i have never claimed to do so nor have i ever claimed to know what is going on behind the scenes.

Where to start on the rest of the post. Yes i do think the problem lies woth Noble, Betts was not ready for first team he was thrown into the breach, Millward was a shocking appontement as he lost the dressing room prior to even turning up.

Mike Gregory was the coach that looked to be turning us around and under whome we made some progress.

Who is responsible for player recruitment and selection, who is responsible for picking these overseas players even though they are not performing over the local Wigan lads?

Too many ego's flying around the dressing room?! Do you think there are as many ego's as the widely reported ego's of the glory years? How did the coaches then manage these massive ego's yet Noble cannot? A failing of Noble to control this perhaps? Clearly not in your opinion but it would be interesting to see who you think who is responsible for managing these ego's and who managed the ego's of Hanley, Goodway, Gregory, Edwards, Skerrit etc etc etc in days gone by.

Your last statement is an odd one. Who has the ability to drop players if the ego's are getting in the way? Basically you are saying it is not Nobles fault there is nothing he can do, but then state that if you were in a position of authority like Noble is (and what better position) heads would roll?! Contradicting the rest of your own post. While Noble is not in a position to fire players he is in a position to drop, remove from training and isolate these "ego's", and as you say heads would roll, so why has he not done this?

Basically all the issues you list in support of Noble highlight his failings thus far better than i could. Thanks

First of all I did say probably

Secondly he's had ONE good game

Thirdly I'm sure like most you would rather see S. Tomkins come through rather than wait for Smith to find his feet again and go back to the NRL

I forgot you cant have a opinion on here if you didn't go to the game

i dont contradict anything to be honest!!!

it's your poor attempt to try and scrape up what cred u can with all your banging on about noble and anything wigan ...ooppss sorry RL...but never mind old chap, you've succsesfully added another one to your " we think johnh is a tosspot club"

...but im loving the fact that you think hanley is the man for wigan????...mind you he talks a good game like you do!!!. and he did walk into a superleague winning side when he got the saints job, and then got sacked for being too outspoken....so yeah he is the man for wigan!!!