Far from it, your previous posts about finidng it unacceptable re the FA cup games etc is exactly right!
I want clarification on these points as I dont believe IL understood the scenario correctly before he answered.

With regards to peoples agendas I do have 1 or 2 people in mind but you are certainly not one of them!



Barring the FA Cup question I believe that IL gave a very good response to Every Reasonable question that was given to him!

I may not have liked his answers but I understood his reasonings behind them, that is the key point!
Some people only want to hear the responses that suit them or they like, thats never going to happen and I honestly hope that it never does!

I would rather IL upset a few fans with agendas and get the best deal for Wigan as a club than the other way round!

"PK" says he wants answers to standard questions, ask them on here And I will tell you the answers IL gave.
If he didnt give an answer I will give you the reason why he didnt give an answer and I 100% agree with his reasons not to do so!

Statistically we've been the third best team in the league for the past two years. We finished 6th in 2007 and 4th in 2008 so soon after the 2006 season. Is this not clear progression? I think we have seen progression in the players we have at the club as well.

- Gareth Hock for example has refound his form and has earnt himself a name as one of the best second rowers in the league.

- Joel Tomkins has progressed quickly after last season into a fine player and was unlucky not win young player of the year.

- Paul Prescott & Eamon O'carroll have grown with each game they've played and established themselves as super league players.

- Thomas Leuluai (still only young) seems to improve year on year and will have only got better with that world cup experience.


Just a few quick examples of the squad progressing. I think we have seen some brilliant rugby league in the last 2 year and also some poor rugby league which have sometimes got the results and sometimes haven't. I think we've just been inconsistant and this is what has got the fans , like yourself rattled. The play off matches for the past 2 season (Bradford and Hull 2007, Bradford and Les Catalans 0icon_cool.gif. The two last games of the season against Saints we have played some fantastic rugby. The games against Leeds in both seasons have seen us play some brilliant rugby. However we have not played good rugby at a consistant level and I think our new recruitment has replaced some inconsistant players with consistant performers at the highest level.

Mark Riddell for Mickey Higham. Mickey Higham was never consistant enough in his three years at Wigan. At times he was fantastic at other times he just went missing. We have replaced him with a player that has played NRL football at the highest level for over 178 NRL games. He's a proven player in the best competition in the world. He already looks a sharp player and I believe he will play very well on a consistant weekly basis.

Mark Calderwood for Amos Roberts - Amos Roberts another that has played well over 200 NRL games at the highest level and has a proven try scoring record. He's played consistantly well at the highest level, unlike Calderwood who went missing in most matches. Albeit I will acknowledge he didn't always get the service at times but nevertheless he did bomb some tries and chances that he had. However now we have Karl Pryce a ruthless powerhouse who will strike fear into any opposition as well as George Carmont who has proved to be quite an elusive strike player. Our winger will get the service!

I can fully understand Brian Noble's optamism and I am too. I think we are progressing as a young team and our plans for the future look very promising. Talks with linking up with an NRL club to help further develop our junior talent as well as an quick alliance team of our finest young players is a step forward in the right direction. Surely you can admit that? I think it's also good that this conincides with a particular strong crop of talented players coming through which stems us well for the future. We're planning ahead, the fact that we signed Amos Roberts for 2010 proves this. As mentioned in my summary some of the highest earners at the club are out of contract at the end of the season and will no doubt leave the club and free up room on the salary cap to add more quality players for 2010. I believe the future is bright and I believe Ian Lenegan and Brian Noble will prove any doubters they may have wrong.

Let's see shall we.

Good point, we all want whats best for Wigan RL dont we, thats the one thing we all have in common, and for now I will trust IL jugdement afterall we are no experts.

I think we have to trust our owner, afterall we dont have a good say in who owns our club. But do I think the club and team has improved since IL took over and do we appear to have a bright future? yes I beleive so.

Great rants Jukesays.

One thing that has come to light regarding the fixtures.

It appears that some compromises have been made by Latics.

They have 17 fixtures left until the end of the season.

10 are away and 7 at home, however some on here will think we have been lucky.

Did they say who the other coaches / backroom staff are? The video eludes to this but doesn't name them IIRC.

Time will tell, and I do hope you're right.

Can't agree with you regarding seeing some excellent rugby last season, I just think we have differing views on what is good rugby.

Hey I admit some of the rugby league on show was dull to watch, Brian Noble has admitted this at the fans forum, so I'd be a fool to argue otherwise. Although in some of those dull matches we won.

Sun 16 Mar Huddersfield Giants Away Won 20-19

Fri 28 Mar Wakefield Trinity Wildcats Home Won 08-04

Mon 24 Mar Hull Kingston Rovers Home Won 18-12

However the point I was making is that we have also witnessed some brilliant matches:

Sat 5 Apr Leeds Rhinos Away Won 14-10

Fri 16 May Warrington Wolves Home Won 38-14

Sat 31 May Challenge Cup QF: Leeds Away Lost 16-23

Fri 4 July Leeds Rhinos Home Won 23-22

Fri 1 Aug Hull FC Home Won 66-06

Fri 5 Sept St Helens Away Draw 16-16

Sat 20 Sept Play Off Eliminator: Catalans Away Won 50-26

Fri 12 Sept Play Off Eliminator: Bradford Home Won 30-14

I would regard those games as entertaining, wouldn't you? If not then yes you are correct. Our perception on good rugby is very different.

We did see some great rugby, but just not enough of it, Wigan fans want good entertaining rugby each week. All I care about is the team winning even if we have to win ugly sometimes.

Even back in the day watching some matches, Wigan were often very boring forst half in some games especially, but people forget about these games due to the amount of trophies won. Sports fans soon forget things, Im sure had we won something last season most fans wouldnt care about how we won and the style of play.

Close games some of them which made them exciting. Play off games get you going as you're looking at the final.

We played some good rugby at times, I woldn't say great rugby. For the most part we were dull and looked clueless.

The last few minutes of that game were certainly what I would exciting. Nearly had a bloody hernia.

But yes, your point is sound.

And on the first day of summer, do you sit there thinking: "Oh crap! It's only three months and then it's autumn again!"

So sorry I didn't swallow it all like you did.

Fully Agree, however I do think it would have been a good idea if the club had filmed it and made it available either online (streaming) or on dvd for a small charge.

Dave Lyon was one...

I think Ray Unsworth was another one?

Some assistant conditioner
Wrestling - Wood
UCLAN Uni - Video Analysis We seem to have good links with UCLAN
New finance guy
Dr Chris Brooks - Doct / Physio chappy.
Appointing 10 P/T tele sales staff. Best 1 gets a FT job.

Ray Unsworth indeed Rogues.

One position as yet unallocated. Brian Foley? or A new person?

Brian Foley was there last night.

He was Rogues.

Has he not been moved sideways?

I'm sure they said Dave Lyon was working part time developing ''skills''?

They did indeed.

Yes, I might be mistaken but I'm sure IL said Dave Lyon is working solely with the Accelerate Squad.

your right mate thats what he said

Lyon is PT Skills development Coach and presently weorking extensively with the Accelerate Squad.

Your mate Neil has done well to get in that group Alex. In a sense the club see him as 6th prop which is very good.

Chissy must be a bit gutted though not to make that group.

Never a truer word written on this forum. I have been saying the same thing for a while now consistently. Don't often get challenged on it either as most people with eyes and a brain know its true.



Since you can't change history you won't have to i.e. if we do improve it won't change the fact we have played some dire RL for a while now.

However there will be no one more delighted than me to see this all change for the better. Will 2009 be the season?

Dave