What score would make it acceptable to discuss and praise their performance? 100-6, 150-6, 200-6?

Granted Leigh are exceptionally poor but we nearly lost the other two against you this season with arguably a stronger side. We’re minus French, Marshall, Hardaker, Field, Manfredi and Gildart who all would probably get in our first choice backline and Leuluai goes off after 20 minutes, so when we’ve not been able to score points for love nor money, it’s not surprising we’re happy with 50, even if it is against Leigh.

Look, when you win f*&* all this season, it'll be Lam out,so don't make me laugh.

It’ll be Lam out either way.

Do us a favour, when we play each other again, let us know in advance what score let’s us discuss and even praise our performance.

We’ll know where we stand then

I think Cokey is on the cokey

It's good to know that Wigan winning nothing this season, which will happen, will compensate you for Leigh being relegated and then finding themselves outside of the game's new-look upper tier for evermore ... which also will happen.

Leigh will NOT be relegated this season .

You're quite right - 14 team SL on the way for 2022 followed by 10 teams in 2023.

Only in RL.

Smith is the best young Scrum Half that the club has produce from the Academy for many years and would be even better if he was playing behind a pack with better experienced quality Prop Forwards than what we have at present.

No wonder Clubb is having to play even if it is for limited periods.

Dodds like Farges before him will not have the same problem with St Helens.

Either way, the writing's on the wall for them.

Long may he continue to prove me wrong.

Yeah I think they will be stronger next season with more time to recruit for SL, but finishing in the top 10 of a 14 team league is a big jump from where they are right now. I think Tolouse would be above them.

who was that guy yesterday and what had they done with Harry Smith?

Any good halfback can show his stuff when behind a dominant pack. The best halfback in the world, will look pants behind a pack that’s beaten.
We should know at Wire.

Just a point from the game that no one has touched on; it seemed to me that Powell went better in the halves than anything he's done this season from hooker. Again, I know the opposition has to be taken into consideration but it was very noticeable even compared with his stint at hooker earlier in the game.

You know, that's one of those things people say all the time, but it's not really true, is it? The mark of a good half-back is that he doesn't just do it when he gets a "could have been wearing a dinner-jacket" carpet-ride. Class will show, even in a defeated side.

How else can you expect the bottom clubs, especially Leigh to play better when they know they are not going to be relegated?

Surely, it would be better for the bottom club this season to be relegated and the top three clubs in the Championship to be promoted.

After all, it is only for one season before two Super League Divisions, each of ten clubs.

Just looking at the superleague site and Harry Smith is up to 7th on the assists charts with 11. There’s some big names, at high scoring clubs who sit below him now (Fages, Gale, Reynolds, Maloney, Widdop, Coote, Sneyd, Austin and plenty more), so whilst his season has been very mixed up until Sunday, he is showing that there’s a real player in there and given the right pack to play on the back of and with his confidence built up, I think he can really kick on. It’ll take patience and that better pack (and a new coach) but he’ll get there.

This is an interesting thread to look back on now, isn't it? It just shows the level of criticism that some youngsters can face early in their career, even those that go on to be Golden Boot contenders. Credit to Wigan for believing in Smith and sticking by him.

It also really highlights how bad things got for a period of time under Lam. I'd forgotten about Hastings playing at FB, players being signed and not used whilst others being dragged out of position to cover. All pretty bad wasn't it.

Was worried what I would have posted but glad I came away unscathed.

Nobody dig up any posts where I thought Josh Woods would be a great Wigan half back though

It looks like my post was the last one on the subject before it gathered dust and it looks to be one of the few things I post that works out well- ‘Patience, a better pack and a new coach will see him gain confidence and will help him get there’ and he’s got there! He is a shining example of not writing young players off too soon, without taking in to account numerous factors. I must admit I probably didn’t think then that he’d end up playing this well, this soon, but it’s fantastic to see.

Another proved wrong and happy to admit it

Yep, interesting reading this back.

Happily proven wrong.

Had a quick look, don't think I commented at the time
I'll tell you honestly what I thought/said to mates at the time

I would have said :-

I'm not sure on him, he does lots of good things, but does a lot of awful things at terrible times is games
But I'm not going to judge him at this point under this coach and at the club the way it is at this time with a young beaten pack, and older pack members who are either rubbish or not playing for various reasons

Now
From early 2022 he's been very good 8 or 9/10 90% of the time and his last 4/5 months from around mid July to the end of the regular season and the internationals he's been 9/10 virtually every week
As I said on another thread previously when he was getting pelters at times, Field/French may be better players, but Harry Smith is without a doubt our most important and influential

Don't think I posted much on this thread but if anyone was having a moan about anything in 2021 I wouldn't blame them - that season drained the life out of everything Wigan RL.