This is the sort of constructive point I referred to when I said people should be allowed an opinion that isn’t always singing players praises. We’ve produced so many good players over this past decade but you’re right that some just seem to hit a brick wall in terms of development. It’s not just at Wigan though, you only need to look at Saints and how guys like Makinson and Lomax found an extra gear under a good coach like Holbrook. They were good players before he come, no more and no less and they didn’t look like lads who had much development left in them but once Holbrook came in they went up a couple of levels. They both reached a level of performance and consistency I’d not seen before. Maybe that proves that good coaching can bring that out of players.

I look at two lads in the same positions in Joe Burgess and Williams and I saw at the end of 2019 two lads in a similar position to what Lomax and Makinson were in just prior to Holbrook coming over. Two good players, one playing well but not at his absolute best and one not in great form but still a good player. I thought and still think in the case of Burgess that they have so much more to give. The move for Williams looks to be dragging it out of him but what will spark Burgess up? He’s far too good to be playing back up at any superleague club but how can he find that old spark? The coach plays a part but he’s got to show a desire to want to get it back and to kick on to become what his talent warrants. He’s got everything to be one of the very best in the world IMO but does he want it as desperately as somebody like Tommy Makinson? He’s more talented than Makinson IMO but does he have that desire? I’m not too sure.

Its not so often you are wrong but you are right again. Absolutely nailed it.

If we keep producing players good enough to be signed up by nrl clubs then we will continue to be successful along the way. I am not sure why people see it as such a negative, we should be proud to watch these lads plying there trade at the very top.

We need to continue developing your Smiths, Hanleys, Havards, Kilners, McDonnells ect.... its what we do better than any other club and it must continue.

I'm yet to find an occasion on which he hasn't been wrong

If our players are so inferior to Aussie players as some supporters seem to think, why are the Aussie clubs so keen and eager on signing them?

As for our players who do go, its not because of wanting a new challenge, being stale or whatever, its simply all about the higher money in the NRL.

Just like when top Union players came to our game for the money, which ended in 1996 when Union went professional.

Having said the above, we can only be thankful that they are staying in Rugby League where they will be eligible for our International teams and not going to Rugby Union.

You Sir are Jukesays' dad and I claim my £5

bet George isnt on the same money in the NRL as he was here

Other way round if anything - I mean I did Have to show him how an Erection worked!

It wont be much more if any. Obviously if he keeps playing like he did last week that will change.

And how to best use my dangler

Noticed that Camberra Raiders have got him wearing the number seven shirt and playing in his proper position of Scrum Half.

Might explain why he is playing well for them because as far as I am concerned, he is never or was a Stand Off.

Its DEFINITELY that
There is no chance that the armchair experts used him as a scapegoat and dont know what they're talking about.

whats the difference between 6 and 7 if you play split halves?

If you split the halves - none. About as much difference as 8 and 10 or 11 and 12

canberra play split halves so Ruddy Duck is saying they have him playing in the right position and Wigan didnt but we play split halves also so was wondering how is it different like he claims

Sorry, I forgot that in the game of today, all players have to be capable playing anywhere, like for example backs packing down in a scrum.

Williams was never a proper Stand Off in a month of Sundays and I am not alone in saying it. Was only playing in the position at Wigan to accomodate a older player past his best and who should have retired by now.

p.s. How many today know the difference between being a open side prop or a blind side prop?

But he wasn't playing stand off (in its traditional form) because we play split halves

If your 6 is on the left and 7 on the right then technically the are Playing the same position. The only time you will see the 6/7 working together is from a scrum, and even this isn’t always the case. They should rename the positions to playmakers because standoffs & scrum halves are pretty much defunct.

Exactly

there is no such things in RL anymore just RU, we pack down with anyone at prop now and you know that

The difference is nothing. Exactly same position these days.

Even though Canberra lost comfortably, I thought Williams was very good again. He’s found a long kicking game from somewhere and it was excellent most of the time.

He was decent again , his kicking was excellent and if they used him more rather than go through the other half back the majority of the time then Raiders may have done better