What he said

Ganson would have marched them up ten yards for the dissent.
Silverwood had to speak to the Saints players at least three times, and I think it was only the fact it's a Grand Final that kept him from showing any cards.

That should make no difference at all.

I think that's a fair viewpoint, but Graham didn't help you guys. Saints' discipline was not the best during that game.

Graham should have got 10 mins and they should have been marched 10 yards for Wilkins poor language. At least Leuluai left it till afetr the final whistle

Our discipline could have been better and i don't like the back chating by graham and wilkin but get over it, you guys won and still banging on about nothing things that went on in the game.

That happens in finals when emotions are high.

The ref was pretty good and let the game to flow and imo was correct not to sin bin graham.

He didn't want to spoil the final and he did a ok job.

I thought that Silverwood refrained from binning anyone due to it being a grand final (no player has ever been binned or sent off in the history of the grand final). If it had been a league game then Graham or Wilkin would have almost certainly gone for ten.

That said, I can understand why they got so frustrated. All of the saints players gave their all and had it been Wigan that had lost four grand finals on the trot then I would be extremely frustrated too. The fact that it was one of the best players of the summer era's last game meant that the saints players had another reason to want to win. However I do agree that we need to get the back chat out of the game. It's a poor example to be setting and the last thing we want is to get to a situation like soccer.

It's was only graham and wilkin that was back chatting and they are not the only players in super league to back chat.

Graham needs to get his head down and stop getting so eat up as it knocks him off his game.

The RFL should have a big clamp down on back chat next year.

Looks like Sinfield has serious competition in the Gobsh$te competition next season.

i wouldn't have wanted to see any players sin binned or sent off. it would have belittled our achieveent a bit to be honest.
it wasn't all of them, just graham who was clearly very very frustrated and wilkin who can never keep his gob shut anyway. Especially for graham it would have been so frustrating to give everything and things not coming off.
no cause for concern as we are nowhere near the realms of footy players moutching off.

I just think the mental scaring of losing so many finals in a row has got to them, its a record after all

I knew the game was won once Wellens did his usual losing routine of running to the ref, whinging with his arms stretched out.

Well said St Pete.....lets get on with celebrating the victory folks, no need for posts like this!! Lets keep it positive!!

Matt

Yep, I know what you mean, its a sure fire sign that stains are in trouble.

Wilkin isnt worth mentioning, hes a pathetic player & ultimate flat track bully.

Graham, is an outstanding player BUT has a serious attitude problem.

I have to admit that Cunningham's interview was first class and showed true sportsmanship. If all players showed this much decency the game would be all the better. I must admit I was very surprised by his tone. But credit where credit is due. He was examplary here:- news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 055247.stm

I have to admit that Cunningham's interview was first class and showed true sportsmanship. If all players showed this much decency the game would be all the better. I must admit I was very surprised by his tone. But credit where credit is due. He was examplary here:- news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 055247.stm

Quote ="Eaststand"I have to admit that Cunningham's interview was first class and showed true sportsmanship. If all players showed this much decency the game would be all the better. I must admit I was very surprised by his tone. But credit where credit is due. He was examplary here:- news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 055247.stm'" He gets bad press from other teams fans but he's a real honest down to earth guy, you can tell the respect the other teams players have for KC after the game. He also gets called a dirty player but i also don't agree with that either, he's tough but he's never been dirty. He's had a few moments as most forwards have. To play 17 seasons and not to get sent off shows what type of player he has been.

Quote ="Eaststand"I have to admit that Cunningham's interview was first class and showed true sportsmanship. If all players showed this much decency the game would be all the better. I must admit I was very surprised by his tone. But credit where credit is due. He was examplary here:- news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 055247.stm'" He gets bad press from other teams fans but he's a real honest down to earth guy, you can tell the respect the other teams players have for KC after the game. He also gets called a dirty player but i also don't agree with that either, he's tough but he's never been dirty. He's had a few moments as most forwards have. To play 17 seasons and not to get sent off shows what type of player he has been.

Legend of the game no doubt!

There definitely seems to be an issue with certain players at Saints with regards to whingeing and moaning. They aren't the only culprits in the league though. IMO any back chatting should be a penalty or a further 10 yards if a penalty has already been given. Any further back chatting should be a simple sin bin. Only the captain of the team should be able to ask the referee questions about why the penalty/decision has been given. It's not rocket science

Isn't that what it says in the rule book ?

Saints and Leeds are the worst for back chatting to the ref. It seems to be mostly the players who have had the most success, i hope our players dont go down that road next year.

The head shot or sliding knee to the head?

Saints don't know how lucky they are as James Child would have marched 3 Stains dirtmongers off.

You are a total idiot.

I very nearly started a thread on this following the Leeds game last week. Delaney after the Goulding try, JJB and Brent Webb with sarcastic applause of the referee etc etc. Whilst I agree with St Pete that we are moaning after winning a final, but I think a serious issue needs to be addressed within the game. Referees need to be much stronger, we don’t want to end up like football with the players arguing and remonstrating with the referee at every decision.

The solution is simple, march em back 10, you used to see this a lot more in previous years, (IIRC Andy Greg got marched 40/50 yards for arguing one decision at CP) but refs for some reason now seem reluctant to do this, hence dissent is creeping into the game. By conceding 10 yards, the backchat would soon stop.

yes Saints lost their discipline and yes at a lesser occasion then maybe there would have been a sin binning or two , but on saying that a lesser occasion wouldn't drum up as much emmotion . I for one would like to hope that if the boot was on the other foot then Wigab would have shown that much emmotion . the occasion got to a few players out there on saturday and a bit spilled over . But hey what's the point in coming on here whinging about spilled over emmotions . you should still be basking in the Glory of wigans first GF trophy for 12 years , enjoy it while you can .I for one am enjoying it still and will for a good while more yet . I don't want to sound like a Whino !

TBH i think it forms part of a wider issue of the referees not wanting to send players off in big games, in case the ruin "the spectical".

Take Coley, sent off in Catalan, probably deserved but hardly a massive match, but also undeserved compared to say Ablett's assault on Sam, which was a red card if ever i've seen one.

Players binned and sent off for dissent in nothing games this year, but the play offs dogged by Leeds & Saints players hurling all sorts at the ref's and not even being marched the ten.

It needs to be clamped down on quickly, this isnt football.

I don't think any genuine fan could argue that KC was a great player, from speaking to a lad i know who is a wigan fan but has met KC on many occcasions he has said he is a top bloke.

I don't remember KC for being a dirty player like you said he has had a few slips of the arm like most forwards but to be fair he was hard as nails .

Great player, hope he has a great retirement and comes back to play some part in the game.